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The NBA Apple Vision Pro app now has a 3D tabletop view

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Re: The NBA Apple Vision Pro app now has a 3D tabletop view

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Post by bitmasher9 »

crooked-v wrote: post #36
whywhywhywhy wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I get court side view if it’s 3d footage it would be immersive. It’s the tiny players running around the coffee table that’s technically impressive but conceptually baffling why you’d want that.

I think the missing context from the post (as it calls out) is that the intended experience is that you have the diorama view at the same time as the actual footage, so it's showing you where everyone is offscreen.

Yeah, it seems awesome to be able to track the entire game at once instead of just focusing on what’s in camera frame. The combination of both could be very engaging.

Re: The NBA Apple Vision Pro app now has a 3D tabletop view

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Post by crooked-v »

kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #49
seanalltogether wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My wife would absolutely pay money to go to an auditorium with 100 other people to watch a live taylor swift concert. Even though its technically feasible to do it in your home, or even to watch it the next day, I know she would pay to be part of a "live" experience.

They have that now in movie theaters that simulcast stage performances.

Sure, but there's a huge visceral difference between looking at a screen versus "being there" in what your brain interprets as, for example, a small black-box theater with a stage in the middle.

Re: The NBA Apple Vision Pro app now has a 3D tabletop view

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Post by williamcotton »

somewhereoutth wrote: post #30

Probably I'd want better seats! Unfortunately this medium has neither the atmosphere of a live event, nor the skilled camera feed cuts of a televised event (a lot of effort goes on behind the scenes to make a televised game exciting to watch).

I don't watch a lot of basketball but the "all-22" film in American football is great to watch for the hardcore fans. Seeing the whole field or court from any vantage point could give sports nerds some insight into how teams approach the game.

Re: The NBA Apple Vision Pro app now has a 3D tabletop view

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Post by asadotzler »

A VR low-poly single camera view is FAR LESS immersive than the actual NBA broadcasts which utilize 30-60 world class cameras, including wide shots like this for context (but not silly laggy stick figures.)

Even as a "second screen" I'm not going to turn my attention from the fast paced "inside the action" feel I get from the broadcast to look at this shitty game map because I'd miss the action, and when there's no action, the professional NBA producers already give me wide context shots, shots of the benches, the spectators, and more.

This experience offers zero practical value, to NBA fans or even casual sports watchers. It's yet another piece of truly worthless VR demoware.

Re: The NBA Apple Vision Pro app now has a 3D tabletop view

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Post by graypegg »

medlazik wrote: post #39
graypegg wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought it seemed neat. If I was part of your randomly selected individuals, I would give it the green light. I think the core element of human creativity might be lost in your imagined system of governance.

"Earth is burning and 99% of humanity is suffering but at least for a century we were oh so creative" You in 2062, most probably

Is it more to do with resources misallocated from something to prevent human suffering, to something comparably suffering-neutral? (a VR headset with an NBA app on it)

While I can empathize with that, I don't think those resources would be reused in solving world hunger, poverty, access to medicine, or something more directly related to alleviating suffering.

If there's a direct connection here that I'm missing (one of the engineers abandoned a medical degree to become a developer) I'm willing to at least understand that. But otherwise your idea still seems rather tenuous.

Oddly enough, you don't have an issue with the sport, which is also suffering-neutral, and actually represents a massive capital and labour waste by comparison. (Stadiums, redirected tax revenue, bloated salaries, ownership structures)

Re: The NBA Apple Vision Pro app now has a 3D tabletop view

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Post by asadotzler »

harmmonica wrote: post #50
crooked-v wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It feels to me like it's one step closer to having an arbitrarily positioned "courtside seat" view.

Anyone able to explain the technical reason this doesn't exist yet? Maybe technically feasible but NBA thinks it would cannibalize tickets sales? If it did (does?) exist it would be nice if it could be "all" courtside views (pick the one you want or switch between them as you're watching). And when I say all it doesn't have to be literally every seat, but there could be one at each baseline and then maybe one each si…

Yes, because no one is going to spend the money to add another 30-60 cameras to the NBA broadcast platform to cater to fewer than 100K Vision Pro users. Even Quest's 10M actives doesn't come close to warranting that kind of financial outlay.

Re: The NBA Apple Vision Pro app now has a 3D tabletop view

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Post by ninju »

crooked-v wrote: post #16
whywhywhywhy wrote: post #3

Think I laughed out loud when they showed the table top NBA in the launch video because the exact same concept was in the launch videos for at least oculus and magic leap, maybe more headsets but it’s always been a fake concept that feels a bit like a solution in search of a problem. Fair play to them finally making the eternal vaporware demo real. Fascinating seeing how an Apple launch plays out when the 3rd party d…

It feels to me like it's one step closer to having an arbitrarily positioned "courtside seat" view.

You can currently remote viewing sporting events

https://tech.cosm.com/markets/sports-and-entertainment

Re: The NBA Apple Vision Pro app now has a 3D tabletop view

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Post by Animats »

0cf8612b2e1e wrote: post #17
whywhywhywhy wrote: post #3

Think I laughed out loud when they showed the table top NBA in the launch video because the exact same concept was in the launch videos for at least oculus and magic leap, maybe more headsets but it’s always been a fake concept that feels a bit like a solution in search of a problem. Fair play to them finally making the eternal vaporware demo real. Fascinating seeing how an Apple launch plays out when the 3rd party d…

I am struggling to come up with some mainstream uses for this. Sports, concerts, plays, etc are something that could theoretically be used on a recurring basis to entice the public. My only nerd imaginations are something like a WH40k game. Watch a MOBA in 3D. Fortnite. Maybe a few historical events? This was the moon landing configuration. The view from the grassy knoll to Kennedy.

Improbable tried baseball.[1] They have some kind of deal with the Major League Baseball company. Improbable's metaverse is so expensive to operate that they can't run it 24/7, so they only rent servers for pay per view special events.

American football would make more sense as something to view in VR. The action is complicated to follow.

[1] https://www.improbable.io/news/improbable-builds-major-leagu...

Re: The NBA Apple Vision Pro app now has a 3D tabletop view

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Post by asadotzler »

cma wrote: post #6

I feel like table top stuff isn't a good fit with the heavy weight of the apple headset when you have to tilt your head down, party from the fairly low vertical field of view.

Of course you are right. Craning your neck to swing your head back and forth following the action with 1.5 pounds of goggles cantilevered off your face, for the full game or even parts of it, is going to be very challenging.

Re: The NBA Apple Vision Pro app now has a 3D tabletop view

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Post by joezydeco »

0cf8612b2e1e wrote: post #17
whywhywhywhy wrote: post #3

Think I laughed out loud when they showed the table top NBA in the launch video because the exact same concept was in the launch videos for at least oculus and magic leap, maybe more headsets but it’s always been a fake concept that feels a bit like a solution in search of a problem. Fair play to them finally making the eternal vaporware demo real. Fascinating seeing how an Apple launch plays out when the 3rd party d…

I am struggling to come up with some mainstream uses for this. Sports, concerts, plays, etc are something that could theoretically be used on a recurring basis to entice the public. My only nerd imaginations are something like a WH40k game. Watch a MOBA in 3D. Fortnite. Maybe a few historical events? This was the moon landing configuration. The view from the grassy knoll to Kennedy.

I'd be interested in using it for auto racing. Usually the tracks are too large to see all at once, the cars are going by too fast to track, and in most cases both apply. Especially if you could zoom in on areas of interest as they happen.
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