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Re: Zed now predicts your next edit with Zeta, our new open model

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Post by bennine »

markus_zhang wrote: post #140

I think the modern Intellisense has the right amount of prediction - offloads enough brain activity without completely relying on something else. AI prediction feels way too much and way too eager to give me something. I don't know about you guys, but programming is an exercise for me, not just to make it work and call it a day. However, AI would be useful if it can offer program structural and pattern recommendation…

> but programming is an exercise for me, not just to make it work and call it a day.

The problem is that mid, upper management and execs don't much care for how we feel about it.

They are literally measuring who is using AI and how much and will eventually make it into an excuse for poor performance.

Re: Zed now predicts your next edit with Zeta, our new open model

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Post by makapuf »

scottlamb wrote: post #238
pjmlp wrote: post #229

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For the last 35 years, X Windows, Citrix and RDP have done the job just fine, in what I am concerned. No, they aren't anything better than what I am used to. Also, as compromise, a cloud shell, browser based IDE setup, and dev containers, also does the job in what concerns cloud deployments, which should be driven from CI/CD and don't have shells on containers anyway.

Good for you, I guess? For me, regressing to having a round trip between a keypress and its result would be completely unacceptable. The speed of light in a vacuum doesn't change; paths are not getting significantly more direct; the improved index of refraction from switching to hollow-core fiber or low-orbit satellites could in theory help but is a one-time, limited improvement that has yet to be delivered to my fin…

Winscp open file + copy back on write detect was very useful for local-speed relote editing 10 years ago. Only issue now would be no lsp.

Re: Zed now predicts your next edit with Zeta, our new open model

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Post by tuananh »

tekacs wrote: post #246
lionkor wrote: post #47

> Edit prediction won't be free forever, but right now we're just excited to share and learn. I love Zed, and I'm happy to pay for AI stuff, but I won't be using this until they are done with their rug pull. Once I know how much it costs, I can decide if I want to try integrating it into my workflow. Only THEN will I want to try it, and would be interested in a limited free trial, even just 24 hours. Considering I've…

From their overall FAQ: > Q: Will Zed be free? > A: Yes. Zed will be free to use as a standalone editor. We will instead charge a subscription for optional features targeting teams and collaboration. See "how will you make money?". > Q: How will you make money? > A: We envision Zed as a free-to-use editor, supplemented by subscription-based, optional network features, such as: - Channels and calls - Chat - Channel no…

for Cursor, if you use OpenAI api key for example, it's kinda cripple because the tab edit model is also proprietary.

Re: Zed now predicts your next edit with Zeta, our new open model

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Post by tuananh »

spmurrayzzz wrote: post #216
choilive wrote: post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think this is a concern. Zed and Zeta are both open source. Fork it, self host it, whatever.

Absolutely. This is already what I've been doing myself. Forked zed so I could use my local rig (4x 3090) to do FIM completions using a finetuned qwen coder 32B. Only barrier for some folks will be if they're not familiar with rust or local LLMs in general, but it really wasn't that difficult looking back on it. Amounted to about an afternoon's worth of work.

can you describe the process. does zed support custom endpoint for tab edit already?

Re: Zed now predicts your next edit with Zeta, our new open model

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Post by lostdog »

kstrauser wrote: post #180
yurishimo wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And this is one reason I still don't understand the use of python in large teams! I suppose with very good tests, you might be able to catch something like this, but it seems impossible to me how a PR reviewer might catch a "bug" like this and not just assume that it's intentional.

OTOH I’ve written Python professionally for about 25 years and I truly don’t think I’ve ever seen a bug due to accidental mis-indentation like that.

When I worked in python I made this exact mistake monthly.

Re: Zed now predicts your next edit with Zeta, our new open model

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Post by kstrauser »

lostdog wrote: post #255
kstrauser wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OTOH I’ve written Python professionally for about 25 years and I truly don’t think I’ve ever seen a bug due to accidental mis-indentation like that.

When I worked in python I made this exact mistake monthly.

How, though? Every code editor I've used supports holding indentation at a certain level until you change it, so if you write:

  if foo:
      bar()
and hit enter after the "bar()", it would drop you down so that the next thing you type would be under the "b". It's not really different from using curly brackets from the perspective of typing in code.

Re: Zed now predicts your next edit with Zeta, our new open model

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Post by jeremyjh »

santoshalper wrote: post #233
bastardoperator wrote: post #225

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What kind of mentality is this? I remember before snapple was a widely known name they used to give out free bottles all over Los Angeles. I never thought to myself, I better not taste this free drink until I know the actual price.

Totally different. You aren't adjusting your development workflow based on a soft drink. If it weren't a rug-pull, why wouldn't they charge for it immediately, or at least tell us the price now? They are specifically hoping you'll become dependent on it and then feel compelled to pay. This shit works because people like you believe it doesn't.

They may not know enough about the cost structure of this feature to price it fairly; I could easily imagine this is heavily dependent on usage patterns and they'll need a few thousand people using it regularly before they'll know that.

Re: Zed now predicts your next edit with Zeta, our new open model

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Post by IshKebab »

pjmlp wrote: post #229
scottlamb wrote: post #228

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The remote development feature implemented in VS Code—and I believe also in beta in Zed—is a million times better than what you're used to. The UI is local, the storage and computation (including the language server) are remote. This takes away the lag when connected to a far-away server while still allowing things like platform-dependent compilation to work correctly and efficiently.

For the last 35 years, X Windows, Citrix and RDP have done the job just fine, in what I am concerned. No, they aren't anything better than what I am used to. Also, as compromise, a cloud shell, browser based IDE setup, and dev containers, also does the job in what concerns cloud deployments, which should be driven from CI/CD and don't have shells on containers anyway.

No they haven't done the job just fine. Remote X has always been a pain to set up, and slow. NX was much better but not free.

Remote VSCode is far better than any of those options. If you don't want to try it that's fine, but don't pretend you know better.

Re: Zed now predicts your next edit with Zeta, our new open model

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Post by spmurrayzzz »

tuananh wrote: post #254
spmurrayzzz wrote: post #216

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Absolutely. This is already what I've been doing myself. Forked zed so I could use my local rig (4x 3090) to do FIM completions using a finetuned qwen coder 32B. Only barrier for some folks will be if they're not familiar with rust or local LLMs in general, but it really wasn't that difficult looking back on it. Amounted to about an afternoon's worth of work.

can you describe the process. does zed support custom endpoint for tab edit already?

At present it's not possible just via configuration, but you can configure a custom endpoint for both the assistant and inline assistant in settings.json.

To get custom tab completions working you need to mimic one of the completion provider apis (like copilot) [1] and direct the requests to your own endpoint. In my case, I am running llama.cpp and and MITM-proxying to its newer /infill endpoint [2]

That's why I mention the rust piece may be a blocker for some, you do have to hack apart the src a bit to get things working. At the time I started this, the only two completion providers available were supermaven [3] and copilot. You could mimic either.

[1] https://github.com/zed-industries/zed/tree/be830742439f531e8...

[2] https://github.com/ggerganov/llama.cpp/blob/master/examples/...

[3] https://github.com/zed-industries/zed/tree/be830742439f531e8...

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