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Re: Zed now predicts your next edit with Zeta, our new open model

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Post by 725686 »

lionkor wrote: post #47

> Edit prediction won't be free forever, but right now we're just excited to share and learn. I love Zed, and I'm happy to pay for AI stuff, but I won't be using this until they are done with their rug pull. Once I know how much it costs, I can decide if I want to try integrating it into my workflow. Only THEN will I want to try it, and would be interested in a limited free trial, even just 24 hours. Considering I've…

So if they let you try a Ferrari for free, you wouldn't because you might like it but you can't afford it? I would, even if I know I could never buy one.

Re: Zed now predicts your next edit with Zeta, our new open model

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Post by lionkor »

jermberj wrote: post #219
lionkor wrote: post #47

> Edit prediction won't be free forever, but right now we're just excited to share and learn. I love Zed, and I'm happy to pay for AI stuff, but I won't be using this until they are done with their rug pull. Once I know how much it costs, I can decide if I want to try integrating it into my workflow. Only THEN will I want to try it, and would be interested in a limited free trial, even just 24 hours. Considering I've…

That's ... uh ... not what a rug pull is. They're telling you plainly from the jump that they're going to eventually charge for it. Point taken on your wish to wait, that makes perfect sense.

I would love to edit my comment to instead say "having the rug pulled from under my feet", which is the feeling I was expressing.

Re: Zed now predicts your next edit with Zeta, our new open model

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Post by santoshalper »

bastardoperator wrote: post #225
lionkor wrote: post #47

> Edit prediction won't be free forever, but right now we're just excited to share and learn. I love Zed, and I'm happy to pay for AI stuff, but I won't be using this until they are done with their rug pull. Once I know how much it costs, I can decide if I want to try integrating it into my workflow. Only THEN will I want to try it, and would be interested in a limited free trial, even just 24 hours. Considering I've…

What kind of mentality is this? I remember before snapple was a widely known name they used to give out free bottles all over Los Angeles. I never thought to myself, I better not taste this free drink until I know the actual price.

Totally different. You aren't adjusting your development workflow based on a soft drink. If it weren't a rug-pull, why wouldn't they charge for it immediately, or at least tell us the price now?

They are specifically hoping you'll become dependent on it and then feel compelled to pay. This shit works because people like you believe it doesn't.

Re: Zed now predicts your next edit with Zeta, our new open model

#234

Post by afandian »

guipsp wrote: post #209
afandian wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Zed doesn't run on the PC you describe. It needs a modern GPU that supports Vulkan (not for AI, just to show text on the screen). I liked Zed so much I bought a new graphics card! https://github.com/zed-industries/zed/discussions/23623

I have sympathy for the reporter, but that CPU is literally 10 years old.

My own graphics card was 5 years old. It was just an Nvidia with outdated Linux drivers. There is no other application on my computer that complained about it.

In any case I'd understand needing bleeding edge hardware for 3D gaming, or CAD, or multimedia. But a 10 year old machine _should_ be able to run a text editor IMHO.

Re: Zed now predicts your next edit with Zeta, our new open model

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Post by lionkor »

725686 wrote: post #231
lionkor wrote: post #47

> Edit prediction won't be free forever, but right now we're just excited to share and learn. I love Zed, and I'm happy to pay for AI stuff, but I won't be using this until they are done with their rug pull. Once I know how much it costs, I can decide if I want to try integrating it into my workflow. Only THEN will I want to try it, and would be interested in a limited free trial, even just 24 hours. Considering I've…

So if they let you try a Ferrari for free, you wouldn't because you might like it but you can't afford it? I would, even if I know I could never buy one.

It's not like that, that's out of proportion I feel like. It's like you get to use a new phone for a week that makes your life much easier, and maybe has features you need. Then, it suddenly costs a little bit more than you can afford. That's the issue

Re: Zed now predicts your next edit with Zeta, our new open model

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Post by gamedever »

pjmlp wrote: post #153
rafaelmn wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Remote editing does not work on Windows (its not implemented at all), so if you are on windows, you cannot ssh into anything with the editor remote editing feature. This means you cannot use your PC as a thin client to the actual chunky big work machine like you can with vscode. Does this work on anything other than VSCode ? I have been trying to use JetBrains stuff for this but it has been bad for years with little…

As someone that is old enough to have used UNIX development servers for the whole company, with PC thin clients, reading about remote development as modern workflow is kind of hilarious.

sounds like an old stubber person comment. "we had fax in the 70s, why do we need anything more, now get off my lawn!"

vscode's remote services is far beyond your old remote experience, an experience I share

Re: Zed now predicts your next edit with Zeta, our new open model

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Post by lstodd »

gizmo wrote: post #158
mihaaly wrote: post #57

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I am not having a good time, that's true. This is with systems you do not need and not working for you. You can lay down to it, but could also fight it, go around it, not just give up and do what a random self promoted something tries to dictate. True, it is not good now or just yet, and about the amazingness, well, I believe the jury is still out on that.... let's say there are moments when it is. Disruption can f o…

You, individually, can make whichever choices you think are best for you. But change is forced on societies. No country can afford to ignore AI. Countries must adapt or get ran over. This is not a moral justification. I don't believe all technological change is for the better. Countries have to brace for impact regardless.

Ran over with what? Insane valuations of a glorified autocomplete?

Mimicking a true Montenegrin which I'm not I say: this will pass also.

Re: Zed now predicts your next edit with Zeta, our new open model

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Post by scottlamb »

pjmlp wrote: post #229
scottlamb wrote: post #228

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The remote development feature implemented in VS Code—and I believe also in beta in Zed—is a million times better than what you're used to. The UI is local, the storage and computation (including the language server) are remote. This takes away the lag when connected to a far-away server while still allowing things like platform-dependent compilation to work correctly and efficiently.

For the last 35 years, X Windows, Citrix and RDP have done the job just fine, in what I am concerned. No, they aren't anything better than what I am used to. Also, as compromise, a cloud shell, browser based IDE setup, and dev containers, also does the job in what concerns cloud deployments, which should be driven from CI/CD and don't have shells on containers anyway.

Good for you, I guess? For me, regressing to having a round trip between a keypress and its result would be completely unacceptable. The speed of light in a vacuum doesn't change; paths are not getting significantly more direct; the improved index of refraction from switching to hollow-core fiber or low-orbit satellites could in theory help but is a one-time, limited improvement that has yet to be delivered to my fingertips. Having the network boundary in the correct place to account for the fundamental physics of the situation is the only real answer.

Re: Zed now predicts your next edit with Zeta, our new open model

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Post by rafaelmn »

pjmlp wrote: post #153
rafaelmn wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Remote editing does not work on Windows (its not implemented at all), so if you are on windows, you cannot ssh into anything with the editor remote editing feature. This means you cannot use your PC as a thin client to the actual chunky big work machine like you can with vscode. Does this work on anything other than VSCode ? I have been trying to use JetBrains stuff for this but it has been bad for years with little…

As someone that is old enough to have used UNIX development servers for the whole company, with PC thin clients, reading about remote development as modern workflow is kind of hilarious.

Except doing it over LAN vs Internet is a very different thing - editing over SSH with >100 ping is annoying as hell, especially if you have packet drops (like a mobile connection). Using a thin client editor with remote server is a much smoother experience.

Re: Zed now predicts your next edit with Zeta, our new open model

#240

Post by pixelready »

santoshalper wrote: post #233
bastardoperator wrote: post #225

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What kind of mentality is this? I remember before snapple was a widely known name they used to give out free bottles all over Los Angeles. I never thought to myself, I better not taste this free drink until I know the actual price.

Totally different. You aren't adjusting your development workflow based on a soft drink. If it weren't a rug-pull, why wouldn't they charge for it immediately, or at least tell us the price now? They are specifically hoping you'll become dependent on it and then feel compelled to pay. This shit works because people like you believe it doesn't.

I can’t speak to the Zed team’s motivations for this, but unless it’s a big corp pulling a move like this it’s usually not that nefarious. Having been in these kinds of product conversations it’s more like, “that thing we prototyped? I we think it’s stable and usable enough for beta. We’re not sure how to price it yet, but let’s give it to our customers to play around with and give us some feedback while we figure out what to tweak and how much it’s worth”.
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