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Zed now predicts your next edit with Zeta, our new open model

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Re: Zed now predicts your next edit with Zeta, our new open model

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Post by vasco »

lionkor wrote: post #47

> Edit prediction won't be free forever, but right now we're just excited to share and learn. I love Zed, and I'm happy to pay for AI stuff, but I won't be using this until they are done with their rug pull. Once I know how much it costs, I can decide if I want to try integrating it into my workflow. Only THEN will I want to try it, and would be interested in a limited free trial, even just 24 hours. Considering I've…

With the speed that models are coming out at and the amount of VC subsidies in trials my approach is the opposite, I don't get too attached and keep trying different tools and models.

Re: Zed now predicts your next edit with Zeta, our new open model

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Post by mihaaly »

gkbrk wrote: post #41
mihaaly wrote: post #39

The sensitive readers please be advised, quite a bit of a rant and angry reactions coming in an overreacting style, please stop here if you are of the sensitive type. The comments are unrelated to this particular product but aimed at the universal approach of the broad topic nowadays. Zero intent of offending anyone specific person is attempted. I am fed up with all these predicting what I want to do. Badly!! Don't g…

Is someone forcing you at gunpoint to use AI autocomplete while you code? If you think it's not good, just don't use it.

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Re: Zed now predicts your next edit with Zeta, our new open model

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Post by oneeyedpigeon »

mihaaly wrote: post #39

The sensitive readers please be advised, quite a bit of a rant and angry reactions coming in an overreacting style, please stop here if you are of the sensitive type. The comments are unrelated to this particular product but aimed at the universal approach of the broad topic nowadays. Zero intent of offending anyone specific person is attempted. I am fed up with all these predicting what I want to do. Badly!! Don't g…

I think there may be a good point here, but it's buried in a wall of poorly-written text and inappropriate references to your relationship problems.

Re: Zed now predicts your next edit with Zeta, our new open model

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Post by saghm »

oneeyedpigeon wrote: post #37
Mashimo wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> to indent some code. Why are you manually indenting code? I don't remember ever doing that in IDEA or VS Code for ~~python,~~ java or ts. Edit: I borked about python, my bad.

Isn't indentation 'non deterministic' in Python? E.g. if I have the following: if (foo): bar() hum() how can anything other than a human decide if that 3rd line should be indented as it is or by one more level?

Even humans have trouble with that sometimes: https://www.blackduck.com/blog/understanding-apple-goto-fail...

Re: Zed now predicts your next edit with Zeta, our new open model

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Post by winternewt »

vasco wrote: post #51
lionkor wrote: post #47

> Edit prediction won't be free forever, but right now we're just excited to share and learn. I love Zed, and I'm happy to pay for AI stuff, but I won't be using this until they are done with their rug pull. Once I know how much it costs, I can decide if I want to try integrating it into my workflow. Only THEN will I want to try it, and would be interested in a limited free trial, even just 24 hours. Considering I've…

With the speed that models are coming out at and the amount of VC subsidies in trials my approach is the opposite, I don't get too attached and keep trying different tools and models.

And that's why most of these endeavors are doomed to fail. Every time they enshittify one service there's a new one with attractive UX that VC's essentially pay you to use instead. And so the previous investment would be lost if they couldn't dump it on naive stock traders by going public before the cat is out of the bag.

Re: Zed now predicts your next edit with Zeta, our new open model

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Post by tomw1808 »

mihaaly wrote: post #39

The sensitive readers please be advised, quite a bit of a rant and angry reactions coming in an overreacting style, please stop here if you are of the sensitive type. The comments are unrelated to this particular product but aimed at the universal approach of the broad topic nowadays. Zero intent of offending anyone specific person is attempted. I am fed up with all these predicting what I want to do. Badly!! Don't g…

Same here, I basically turned off all the auto-complete things everywhere in all the tools I am using, can't stand it. And just before reading your comment, I had a google doc I edited in the other tab and thought, how annoying are these auto suggestions actually. Not helping at all, instead a distraction (to me).

For AI coding I'm using Aider as a docker container in the terminal in the IDE and I love it. I can write what I want how I feel the prompt to be necessary and then (and only then) it makes the changes or runs whatever I requested. The IDE runs uninterrupted and without any "smart suggestions". A tool for every job. Sometimes I do a lot in aider, sometimes I don't open it at all, but its all separated where what happens when.

But yeah, anyways, while not as strongly feeling as you (probably) towards auto suggesting mid way through my sentence, I at least feel they are more distraction than help to me.

Re: Zed now predicts your next edit with Zeta, our new open model

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Post by mihaaly »

gizmo wrote: post #48
mihaaly wrote: post #39

The sensitive readers please be advised, quite a bit of a rant and angry reactions coming in an overreacting style, please stop here if you are of the sensitive type. The comments are unrelated to this particular product but aimed at the universal approach of the broad topic nowadays. Zero intent of offending anyone specific person is attempted. I am fed up with all these predicting what I want to do. Badly!! Don't g…

If you fight the system you're not going to have a good time. For incremental improvements (faster grep, mixed-language syntax highlighting) you get the benefits for free. You don't have to change anything about the way you work. Revolutionary/disruptive technologies are not like that. They demand that the world adapts to them. They demand you change. Almost anywhere you can go by foot you can get faster with a horse…

I am not having a good time, that's true. This is with systems you do not need and not working for you. You can lay down to it, but could also fight it, go around it, not just give up and do what a random self promoted something tries to dictate. True, it is not good now or just yet, and about the amazingness, well, I believe the jury is still out on that.... let's say there are moments when it is.

Disruption can f off! I am not a slave to lay down to self serving ideas forced. If ideas not serving humanity and demand change for the sake of it, those are bad ideas then! Down with technological authoritarianism! I am for liberal things mainly anyway.

About cars: don't use it inside hight rise buildings if you live in one, or dense cute cities because you will have more problem than help. One can walk, cycle or mass transit, occasional renting, in a big part of life. Cars have their places, not something to wrap humanity around. Thos are just box like objects with four wheels for f's sake! For humans, and not the other way around.

All depends on circumstances in the end, naturally.

Re: Zed now predicts your next edit with Zeta, our new open model

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Post by levzzz »

_flux wrote: post #26
yellow_lead wrote: post #22

Seems like you can't run it locally. I don't like my code being sent to a third party, especially when my employer may not agree with it. I also edit secret/env files in my IDE, so for instance, a private key or API key could get sent, right? I hope there will be a local option later.

They use backend configurable at environment variable ZED_PREDICT_EDITS_URL https://github.com/zed-industries/zed/blob/2f734cbd5e2452647... , but I don't know if the /predict_edits/v2 endpoint is something some projects provide or not. At least the model is available and interacting with it seems simple, so it's probably quite realistic to have an open/locally runnable version of it. The model isn't very big.

yeah, i'd like to be able to run it locally. it should fit well onto my 12gb gpu

Re: Zed now predicts your next edit with Zeta, our new open model

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Post by jstummbillig »

lionkor wrote: post #47

> Edit prediction won't be free forever, but right now we're just excited to share and learn. I love Zed, and I'm happy to pay for AI stuff, but I won't be using this until they are done with their rug pull. Once I know how much it costs, I can decide if I want to try integrating it into my workflow. Only THEN will I want to try it, and would be interested in a limited free trial, even just 24 hours. Considering I've…

When products evolve rapidly, pricing will too. Whatever Zed or any actor is doing now or in 6 month on either front says little about what will happen next.

Just try what people offer right now, at a price point that you are okay with, right now. In a year, both product and price will probably be moot.

Re: Zed now predicts your next edit with Zeta, our new open model

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Post by madmulita »

boxed wrote: post #3

I tried CoPilot a while and my biggest gripe was tab for accepting the suggestion. I very often got a ton of AI garbage when I was just trying to indent some code. Tab just doesn't seem like the proper interface for something like this.

Don't give them ideas! I can already see the useless AI key next to Fn in my next keyboard.
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