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Zed now predicts your next edit with Zeta, our new open model

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Re: Zed now predicts your next edit with Zeta, our new open model

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Post by gkbrk »

mihaaly wrote: post #39

The sensitive readers please be advised, quite a bit of a rant and angry reactions coming in an overreacting style, please stop here if you are of the sensitive type. The comments are unrelated to this particular product but aimed at the universal approach of the broad topic nowadays. Zero intent of offending anyone specific person is attempted. I am fed up with all these predicting what I want to do. Badly!! Don't g…

Is someone forcing you at gunpoint to use AI autocomplete while you code? If you think it's not good, just don't use it.

Re: Zed now predicts your next edit with Zeta, our new open model

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Post by homebrewer »

NoboruWataya wrote: post #40

I haven't used Zed much but RustRover seems to have recently switched to a more aggressive/ambitious autocomplete. IIRC tab used to just complete the current word, now it tries to complete the rest of the line. Only it usually gets it wrong. Enter now seems to do what tab used to do and it's been quite annoying having to unlearn tab completing everything. Maybe Zed's prediction is better (though to be honest I don't…

It's a new local full-line completion model they've been enabling for one language after another in all their IDEs. I too agree that it's a waste of CPU cycles. The old completion mechanism (a bunch of hardcoded rules plus a bit of machine learning on the side) already was miles ahead of everything else, and with far fewer false-positives.

You can disable it by going into 'File | Settings | Plugins' and turning off "Full Line Code Completion".

Re: Zed now predicts your next edit with Zeta, our new open model

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Post by lukaslalinsky »

littlestymaar wrote: post #7

> A few weeks out from launch, we ran a brief competitive process, and we ended up being really impressed with Baseten. What? I really fail to see how it can make sense for a company like Zed: Baseten bills by the minute so it can be really useful if you need to handle small bursts of compute, but on the flip side they charge you a x5 premium if you end up being billed for complete hours…

Zed is a VC funded startup. Wasting money in exchange for ease of deployment is expected, no?

Re: Zed now predicts your next edit with Zeta, our new open model

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Post by lionkor »

mihaaly wrote: post #39

The sensitive readers please be advised, quite a bit of a rant and angry reactions coming in an overreacting style, please stop here if you are of the sensitive type. The comments are unrelated to this particular product but aimed at the universal approach of the broad topic nowadays. Zero intent of offending anyone specific person is attempted. I am fed up with all these predicting what I want to do. Badly!! Don't g…

I find that AI autocomplete, even autocompleting full functions, is capable enough to use. I need to review all my code in detail before pushing, and I need to write unit tests, and I need to "run it once" test it also.

It gets it mostly right most of the time, and often times it quite literally suggests what I was about to type.

This is mostly in Rust and C#, maybe other languages have more of a hurdle for AI.

Re: Zed now predicts your next edit with Zeta, our new open model

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Post by sarosh »

Interesting that the underlying model, a LoRA fine-tune of Qwen2.5-Coder-32B, relies on synthetic data from Claude[1]:

  But we had a classic chicken-and-egg problem—we needed data to train the model, but we didn't have any real examples yet. So we started by having Claude generate about 50 synthetic examples that we added to our dataset. We then used that initial fine-tune to ship an early version of Zeta behind a feature flag and started collecting examples from our own team's usage.

  ...

  This approach let us quickly build up a solid dataset of around 400 high-quality examples, which improved the model a lot!
I checked the training set, but couldn't quickly identify which were 'Claude' produced[2]. Would be interesting to see them distinguished out.

[1]: https://zed.dev/blog/edit-prediction [2]: https://huggingface.co/datasets/zed-industries/zeta

Re: Zed now predicts your next edit with Zeta, our new open model

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Post by lionkor »

> Edit prediction won't be free forever, but right now we're just excited to share and learn.

I love Zed, and I'm happy to pay for AI stuff, but I won't be using this until they are done with their rug pull. Once I know how much it costs, I can decide if I want to try integrating it into my workflow. Only THEN will I want to try it, and would be interested in a limited free trial, even just 24 hours.

Considering I've seen products like this range from free to hundreds of dollars per month, I'd rather not find out how good it is and then find out I can't afford it.

Other than that for anyone wanting to try Zed:

- You can only run one LSP per file type, so your Rust will work fine, your C++, too, your Angular will not.

- Remote editing does not work on Windows (its not implemented at all), so if you are on windows, you cannot ssh into anything with the editor remote editing feature. This means you cannot use your PC as a thin client to the actual chunky big work machine like you can with vscode. I've seen a PR that adds windows ssh support, but it looked very stale.

Re: Zed now predicts your next edit with Zeta, our new open model

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Post by gizmo »

mihaaly wrote: post #39

The sensitive readers please be advised, quite a bit of a rant and angry reactions coming in an overreacting style, please stop here if you are of the sensitive type. The comments are unrelated to this particular product but aimed at the universal approach of the broad topic nowadays. Zero intent of offending anyone specific person is attempted. I am fed up with all these predicting what I want to do. Badly!! Don't g…

If you fight the system you're not going to have a good time. For incremental improvements (faster grep, mixed-language syntax highlighting) you get the benefits for free. You don't have to change anything about the way you work. Revolutionary/disruptive technologies are not like that. They demand that the world adapts to them. They demand you change.

Almost anywhere you can go by foot you can get faster with a horse. By contrast, a car only drives on flat roads. Cars are inflexible, fragile, unwieldy. A car demands that the world adapts to it. And adapt we did. We paved the world and are better for it.

AI tools are amazing. You just have to approach them with a beginner's mindset.

Re: Zed now predicts your next edit with Zeta, our new open model

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Post by 1f60c »

I wonder what this means for Support using ollama as an inline_completion_provider https://github.com/zed-industries/zed/issues/15968. ':]

I hadn't heard of Baseten before (it seems to be in a hot niche along with Together.ai, OpenRouter, etc.) but I'm glad I did because I was actually noodling on something similar and now I don't have to do that anymore (though it did teach me a lot about Fly.io!). Yay economies of scale!

Re: Zed now predicts your next edit with Zeta, our new open model

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Post by MaikuMori »

boxed wrote: post #3

I tried CoPilot a while and my biggest gripe was tab for accepting the suggestion. I very often got a ton of AI garbage when I was just trying to indent some code. Tab just doesn't seem like the proper interface for something like this.

Doesn't exactly fix the issue, bout you can cancel the suggestion with ESC and then press Tab.

Changing the shortcut should be possible, but I haven't tried.

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