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The Loneliness Epidemic Is a Security Crisis

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Re: The Loneliness Epidemic Is a Security Crisis

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> Romance scams cost victims hundreds of millions of dollars a year. As people grow increasingly isolated “People” is accurate but this is largely a male dominated issue. Men are targeted at higher rates and fall for these scams at much higher rates. Men need to be taught that random unknown women will largely not message them at random for sex. It’s almost always a scam. These scammers are playing on the psychology…

What kind of male demographic falls for these scams the most?

Re: The Loneliness Epidemic Is a Security Crisis

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I think it's more dangerous as a parasocial playground. You think you are making friends, but in fact it's a poor substitute and doesn't carry the risks/benefits of proper bonding with another human. This is independent of whether the other person is a bot or their communication is curated by an algorithm.

Can you say more about those risks and benefits?

Risks - you might be exposed to an idea that challenges you, you might be bored for stretches of time, you might think the relationship is stronger than it is for the other side and embarrass yourself, especially if you read romantic interest. You might have to alter your behavior in the name of social grace. You might lose that companion.

Benefits - IRL human companionship.

Re: The Loneliness Epidemic Is a Security Crisis

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That's already here for me, and others I believe as the most interesting communication has moved to group chats. The open web is for advertising, and the best LLMs will be for information retrieval.

I'm a bit doubtful. You're seeing my words... do you have data on the transitive trust path between you and I? In the world I'm describing your browser wouldn't render this text unless it had confirmed that path decided that it was acceptable.

I'm exaggerating a bit, but the broad outline is essentially there already I think. The move to walled gardens everywhere (if we call this site a walled garden) is the first move almost everyone has made in terms of where they allocate attention. I think people will just move to smaller and smaller circles of interactions they trust (discord/group chats) especially if you don't need to query the open web for information anymore, and you trust an LLM agent for information retrieval / commerce.

Re: The Loneliness Epidemic Is a Security Crisis

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post #5

> Romance scams cost victims hundreds of millions of dollars a year. As people grow increasingly isolated “People” is accurate but this is largely a male dominated issue. Men are targeted at higher rates and fall for these scams at much higher rates. Men need to be taught that random unknown women will largely not message them at random for sex. It’s almost always a scam. These scammers are playing on the psychology…

My sister and I hopefully banged into our father's head saying almost everyone on the internet is a trash connection and never to be trusted unless you have met them in person. Do not accept or respond to any messages on your phone or on the Internet from strangers.

Overall I don't think he ever got scammed with us banging all that into his head while my close friends' father has been scammed numerous times. They had to take away his bank account access after learning of him being scammed. They did so cause they know he still would continue to talk & give money to these totally fake ...beautiful young people who said they loved him.

Personally i think it's best to treat everyone on the internet as scammer until they have proven else-wise. On dating apps I will ask to see if they want to do a video chat or set up a date in a few days or more once we've connected conversationally. If they don't they are a suspect scammer to me and I move onto the next (flat out then tell them i think u might be a scammer ..i am not and want to show you i am genuine looking for a real relationship). Tho video chat soon-ish via deepfakes won't be able to be trusted. I saw a Chinese nationalist try to deepfake ID.me (IRS's authentication system). Thus in person in a few days to less then two weeks to meet for a date is best to ensure real or forget it!

Re: The Loneliness Epidemic Is a Security Crisis

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I don't get how or why it seems to have gotten worse in the last 20-25 years. I was a very online teenager at the end of the 90s and I have formed friendships that last to this day. Or at least staying in touch. And it's not just me, it's the same for a lot of people I got to know offline who have different such circles. Maybe because it was just a smaller circle of people? Maybe because it was so not normal that peo…

I'm also a little confused, because I remember such common empathy-lacking rhetoric like demanding boob pics of any proclaimed female on the internet being common in my tween online years. Or sending shock stuff as a joke (2girls1cup, tubgirl etc). So its not like the internet didn't have troll-y cesspits. And yet somehow something has changed such that as a population we've been trained against forming human connect…

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Re: The Loneliness Epidemic Is a Security Crisis

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Fascinating! Well if y'all haven't already, it would be great if you could publish a study of your findings; what you're describing is basically the exact opposite of what I expected based on other reporting.

Gentle reminder that news reporting is not a representative sample of, well, just about anything. It's highly selected and filtered through several layers. The same is true of a survey of internet posts, or online surveys btw. It's very hard to get representative samples.

Strong agree, you have to keep selection bias in mind. But I would expect news reporting to not be the exact opposite of what was being proposed in the comment -- bias and all!

Re: The Loneliness Epidemic Is a Security Crisis

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This was the topic of an amazing podcast Scam Inc from the Economist https://www.economist.com/audio/podcasts/scam-inc that I finished last week. It's subscriber only but absolutely worth it. Key points are: "Pig butchering" scams were developed and mastered by Chinese organized crime targeting chinese citizens first, before going worldwide. The crime is industrialized with call centers with thousands of people worki…

MI is not a tiny island but I see your point, especially over the last 20+ years of living there. However, wealthy people buying multiple mansions around the world and letting them sit there idle is also a story as old as time.

Re: The Loneliness Epidemic Is a Security Crisis

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This was the topic of an amazing podcast Scam Inc from the Economist https://www.economist.com/audio/podcasts/scam-inc that I finished last week. It's subscriber only but absolutely worth it. Key points are: "Pig butchering" scams were developed and mastered by Chinese organized crime targeting chinese citizens first, before going worldwide. The crime is industrialized with call centers with thousands of people worki…

Yep my mom got caught on one of these - paying to "save a vulnerable puppy" only for the dog to "have a medical crises during transport", etc.

If you have a loved one who is vulnerable:

+ Make it clear there is no shame in falling victim or seeking help

+ Teach them to "hang up and call back" anytime someone calls them and asks for money or passwords, personal data, etc. (This just saved her from a bank card scam)

Currently my worry is AI voice impersonation because my mom genuinely doesn't believe that AI can clone a voice. My plan is to have JFK call her and give her an impassioned speech about being aware of scams.

Re: The Loneliness Epidemic Is a Security Crisis

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possible reasons I can think of 1) these are based on self reporting and it’s very possible men report at lower rates. 2) it’s possible that the scams happen outside of the areas where I have insights (social media)

Also, the specific social media network you work at would skew your perspective. I would bet money that romance scam victims are overwhelmingly men on TikTok but overwhelmingly women on Facebook.

Probably not, ticktock isn't male dominated. Twitter and Reddit however, I could see that.

Re: The Loneliness Epidemic Is a Security Crisis

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This was the topic of an amazing podcast Scam Inc from the Economist https://www.economist.com/audio/podcasts/scam-inc that I finished last week. It's subscriber only but absolutely worth it. Key points are: "Pig butchering" scams were developed and mastered by Chinese organized crime targeting chinese citizens first, before going worldwide. The crime is industrialized with call centers with thousands of people worki…

Yep my mom got caught on one of these - paying to "save a vulnerable puppy" only for the dog to "have a medical crises during transport", etc. If you have a loved one who is vulnerable: + Make it clear there is no shame in falling victim or seeking help + Teach them to "hang up and call back" anytime someone calls them and asks for money or passwords, personal data, etc. (This just saved her from a bank card scam) Cu…

or vote for a bloody tytant who promises to lay the torch to a world order that seems unwilling and unable to do anything against this lawlessness?

At some point in the decline still being libertarian is like handing out fliers for dictators.

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