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Resigning as Asahi Linux project lead

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Re: Resigning as Asahi Linux project lead

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Post by seba_dos1 »

black3r wrote: post #674
bayindirh wrote: post #267

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I personally don't think GitHub's PR model is superior to e-mail based patch management for two reasons. First, e-mail needs no additional middleware at git level to process (I can get my mails and directly start working on my machine), plus e-mail is at least one of Git's native patch management mechanisms. This is not about spam, server management or GitLab/Gitea/whatever issue. This is catering to most diverse wor…

the problem with mail-based patch management is that it doesn't scale well, management wise... when you have hundreds of patches and multiple reviewers who can review them, Github/Gitlab environments make it easier to prioritize the patches, assign who will do the review, filter the patches based on tags, and keep track of what wasn't reviewed yet..., mail-based patch management is fine for smaller projects, but Linu…

> and open source is all about getting as many developers as possible to contribute to the development

[citation needed]

It's what "open source" enables, but it may not necessarily be a desired goal of a FLOSS project.

Re: Resigning as Asahi Linux project lead

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Post by yoshuaw »

margana wrote: post #210
Octoth0rpe wrote: post #9

Well that's unfortunate. It seems like there's a balancing act between the benefits of writing drivers in Rust (easier, more maintainable), and getting those drivers mainlined (apparently soul-destroying, morale killing), I wonder if the Asahi team is considering simply abandoning linux in favor of something more rust friendly (redox being an obvious candidate, but maybe one of the BSDs?). Given the narrow set of har…

The goal of Asahi Linux is to create a Linux distribution that is compatible with Apple devices. Using Rust is not a goal of the project, it's just something they decided to use due to personal preference, and is making the process of upstreaming anything much harder. If anything, it works against them in achieving their goal. Abandoning Rust is a possibility, abandoning Linux is not.

> Abandoning Rust is a possibility, abandoning Linux is not.

The Asahi developers have repeatedly and publicly asserted that were it not for Rust they would not have been able to achieve the level of quality required for the project, at the speed they did, with as small of a team as they have. From the article:

> Rust is the entire reason our GPU driver was able to succeed in the time it did.

Re: Resigning as Asahi Linux project lead

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Post by debeloo »

bmacho wrote: post #648
iczero wrote: post #614

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Where is an example of this "false advertising"?

Actually they have a device support page: https://asahilinux.org/fedora/#device-support I can't imagine then what's his problem. I don't get offended by people that can't even read . I don't normally call them people let alone entitled :\ Set up a bot that links them the device support page, and problem solved? I don't get it

> I don't get it.

I think that might be the problem.

It's comments like these that causes people to wear out.

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Post by adamrezich »

PoignardAzur wrote: post #657
adamrezich wrote: post #585

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Quite wild to see this being downvoted, because by downvoting, surely one implies the inverse of your post to be the truth, such that projects such as the Linux kernel should be battlegrounds for the grievance of the week, should be platforms for proselytizing, and so forth. Very strange to see little to no empathy for kernel maintainers in this situation.

Most people would not interpret downvoting as "I believe that the exact opposite of every single sentence in your post is true".

Most people don't compulsively downvote every post that they only mildly disagree with.

Re: Resigning as Asahi Linux project lead

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Post by javier2 »

bayindirh wrote: post #134
galoisscobi wrote: post #13

> But then also came the entitled users. This time, it wasn’t about stealing games, it was about features. “When is Thunderbolt coming?” “Asahi is useless to me until I can use monitors over USB-C” “The battery life sucks compared to macOS” (nobody ever complained when compared to x86 laptops…) “I can’t even check my CPU temperature” (yes, I seriously got that one). This sounds so rough. I can't imagine pouring your…

[Putting my dusty Linux Distro Maintainer Hat on] First of all, I wholeheartedly applaud Marcan for carrying the project this far. They, both as individuals and as a team proper, did great things. What I can say is a rest is well deserved at this point, because he really poured his soul into this and worn himself down. On the other hand, I'll need to say something, however not in bad faith. He needs to stop fighting…

Yeah, I want to give them accolades for the great work they did.

I just wanted to also add that users will be users. Once its out, there will be endless posts about "why X" and "why not Y". No matter what you do, lots of people are going to be displeased. Its just the way things go. I hope he will want to pick it up again after some time.

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Post by panza »

rdtsc wrote: post #209

A person can be in a tough spot personally and then things seem to spiral out of control around them because that just cannot be 100% isolated from professional stuff or other spheres of life. It seems like this might have happened to Hector based on the post. We've all been there and that part is completely understandable. > I get that some people might not have liked my Mastodon posts. Yes, I can be abrasive someti…

> "If shaming on social media does not work, then tell me what does, because I'm out of ideas."

This is just an incredibly odd thing to say. It's so obviously out of line that it seems like someone's joking around.

The Rust community (generally-speaking) just can't see why people have a visceral reaction against them, independent of its technical qualities. In all my years, I've not seen anything like it.

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Post by MyOutfitIsVague »

oldpersonintx wrote: post #291
e40 wrote: post #157

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100% agree. For the last few years, I've been saying the following regularly (to friends, family and coworkers): communication is the hardest thing humans will ever do. Period. Going to the moon, launching rockets, building that amazing app... the hardest thing of all is communicating with other people to get it done. As a founder (for 40+ years and counting) I manage a lot of different type of people and communicati…

> (yes, this is direct from stoicism) stoics don't write multi-paragraph goodbye letters

Stoicism is a school of philosophy. There are many many words over thousands of years discussing the practices and virtues.

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Post by dralley »

ThatGuyRaion wrote: post #250
stirlo wrote: post #240

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> Well, if anyone broke the law or harmed him he needs to go to law enforcement or the FBI I think it's naive to suggest this would achieve anything when the platform is anonymous and he was based outside the US. > Outside of that, just get used to be thrown abuse of all kinds. This is far easier to say than to do. Particularly when you have a public profile as part of your work. > If you get tagged by a group like t…

These sorts of things come part and parcel if you are on the internet for any length of time. It's just not possible to have one not the other.

Most people can use the internet without having a message board of people devote themselves to persistently harassing you for the "lol" value.

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Post by dapperdrake »

sumeno wrote: post #469
throwaway2037 wrote: post #326

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> I can think of many times Ted was overly hyperbolic, but he was ultimately correct. Here is the part of the Linux project I don't like sometimes, which was recently described well in this recent thread. Being correct, or at least being subjectively correct by having extremely persuasive arguments, yet being toxic... is still toxic and unacceptable. I want to say that I am thankful in this world that I am a truly an…

There are plenty of "nerd famous" people who manage it by just not being an asshole. If you're already an asshole being "nerd famous" is going to be rough, yes, but maybe just don't be one?

Only charlatans completely avoid saying things that could get them into trouble.

Re: Resigning as Asahi Linux project lead

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Post by anyfoo »

pmontra wrote: post #164
duxup wrote: post #102

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I always tell this story about working with sales at a job where I worked in tech support. Sales would call me up and ask why I hadn't talked to their client about their very important ticket. I would tell them: "I have 5 P1 tickets, 8 P2 tickets, and dozens of P3 tickets. Your ticket is a P3 ticket." They would ask that I change it to a P1. I would. Then they would call me an hour later asking me about the ticket an…

That's when they understand that they have to start fighting their peers and talking with the big boss to get their P1 ticket moved in front of the other P1 tickets.

So? If they succeed (big if), then that ticket is your new priority. Maybe even for good reason, maybe not. But usually you don’t care that much which one you work on first, do you?
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