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U.K. demand for a back door to Apple data threatens Americans, lawmakers say

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Re: U.K. demand for a back door to Apple data threatens Americans, lawmakers say

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Post by jtbayly »

arlort wrote: post #102
jtbayly wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How am I supposed to put up a website intended for US citizens onto the world -wide-web, without worrying about GDPR?

IP blocking if you really can't live without tracking your users unnecessarily If you're aware of any such website which has been investigated under GDPR I'd be happy to know

In other words, the EU mandates that I follow their law, even though they have no jurisdiction over me. I can follow it by refusing to track PII, or I can follow it by “blocking” Europe on the WWW. I can’t be bothered to figure out how to do either of those things, so I don’t bother. I just spin up an instance of Discourse and move on. Because their claim that I must follow their laws is just as bogus as the UK’s claim, even if I think the EU had admirable goals and the UK has terrible goals.

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Post by singleshot_ »

sneak wrote: post #157
Nifty3929 wrote: post #128

I keep saying this, and nobody believes me, but I'm just going to keep trying: These things happen because so often we focus the privacy conversation on corporations, which is exactly where the governments want it to be. My controversial but strong opinion is that privacy from corporations matters very little, but privacy from governments matters very much. We need to stop allowing the conversation to get distracted…

Apple gives data to the United States government on over 70,000 user accounts per year without a warrant. Anything Apple knows, the FBI can know, without probable cause.

To be clear, tech companies provide subscriber metadata (e.g., billing address, real name) with a court order or subpoena. They provide actual user data (e.g., voicemail) only with a warrant.

Or has something changed since the last time I requested user data from a tech company by subpoena? Or are you talking about intelligence collection as distinct from law enforcement?

Also worth noting that LE frequently has PC without having a warrant (for example: every time they ask a magistrate for a warrant and secure one, we can infer they had PC first). In fact they perform many searches with only PC (see: exigency, eventual discovery, etc).

It would be more apt to say any subscriber metadata Apple knows, the FBI can know without a warrant.

Re: U.K. demand for a back door to Apple data threatens Americans, lawmakers say

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Post by ingen0s »

waltercool wrote: post #42

Trash paywall media. Read this article for free from another website: https://appleinsider.com/articles/25/02/13/uks-iphone-spying... Also, response from Tulsi Gabbard: https://ca.news.yahoo.com/tulsi-gabbard-told-crush-uk-155712...

agreed, thank you

Re: U.K. demand for a back door to Apple data threatens Americans, lawmakers say

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Post by jtbayly »

alt227 wrote: post #122
rogerrogerr wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This always gets trotted out, usually by people who seem to have never run any web service before. IPs are apparently PII, and all default server configs log them. If you don’t, good luck complying with any security audits that will require you to keep them to make forensics possible. This is just one of the things that makes GDPR, in practice, an “if we don’t like you, we’ll investigate you and will definitely find…

I am a data controller for multiple companies, I have read the GDPR legislation cover to cover multiple times, I have been through multiple audits. You only need to care about it if you are storing personal data, end of. Downvote me if you like but thats the cold hard truth. > IPs are apparently PII It always pains me when people spout stuff about GDPR that they think they know but dont. Go talk to an auditor like I…

It’s your job, and you’ve put more time into this than I will ever put into it. True. You (hopefully) understand the law better than me and the commenter you replied to. But you certainly haven’t convinced me to read the GDPR legislation cover to cover multiple times to decide whether and how I can comply! The EU can’t tell me what to do with my Discourse website. I put it online. They can block it for their residents if they don’t like it. That is not my responsibility.

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Post by sneak »

singleshot_ wrote: post #202
sneak wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple gives data to the United States government on over 70,000 user accounts per year without a warrant. Anything Apple knows, the FBI can know, without probable cause.

To be clear, tech companies provide subscriber metadata (e.g., billing address, real name) with a court order or subpoena. They provide actual user data (e.g., voicemail) only with a warrant. Or has something changed since the last time I requested user data from a tech company by subpoena? Or are you talking about intelligence collection as distinct from law enforcement? Also worth noting that LE frequently has PC w…

This is false. FAA702 collection provides full content.

This was disclosed by Edward Snowden; the internal codename for such collection is PRISM.

The line between foreign intelligence collection and domestic law enforcement no longer exists. This is why parallel construction is so common today.

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Post by biesnecker »

Fernicia wrote: post #195
binarymax wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s not the worst thing a corp can do. The worst things a corp can do is sell your private data to someone else, monopolize a critical function and squeeze you dry, or block you from a monopolized utility that is critical to modern society. The focus need to be on both

Is there an example of this happening? Seems like a stretch. On the other hand there are examples of people in the UK expressing racist sentiments in DMs and being jailed for it.

This was the first example that popped to mind: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/aug/22/google-cs...

Not having Google accounts isn't the end of the world, but given the amount that many (most?) of us rely on their services (I think of all the accounts I have tied to my @gmail email and cringe, but still I'm there), this is fairly disasterous.

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Post by debeloo »

Nifty3929 wrote: post #128

I keep saying this, and nobody believes me, but I'm just going to keep trying: These things happen because so often we focus the privacy conversation on corporations, which is exactly where the governments want it to be. My controversial but strong opinion is that privacy from corporations matters very little, but privacy from governments matters very much. We need to stop allowing the conversation to get distracted…

> privacy from corporations matters very little, but privacy from governments matters very much.

Historically perhaps, but if you notice what's been happening in America then the line between government and corporation is getting very blurry.

Also historically, when you have a fascist government then companies/corporations are quick to join the party if they want to survive.

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Post by jtbayly »

croes wrote: post #74
jtbayly wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How am I supposed to put up a website intended for US citizens onto the world -wide-web, without worrying about GDPR?

So you track your website vistors?

I run multiple Discourse sites. You can spin that however you want. People have personal data on my sites for sure. Is that “tracking” in your book? What about in the EU’s book? Anyway, I’m not going to read the GDPR to find out whether that’s “illegal,” no matter what they say.

Re: U.K. demand for a back door to Apple data threatens Americans, lawmakers say

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Post by reaperducer »

ingen0s wrote: post #203

Paywall posts should not be allowed imho - not very inclusive.

Paywall posts should not be allowed imho - not very inclusive.

There are posts on HN all the time about tech companies that require you to sign up and pay a fee to use their services.

Should HN never discuss Cisco, or Intel, or Samsung? Why is a newspaper any different?

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