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U.K. demand for a back door to Apple data threatens Americans, lawmakers say

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Re: U.K. demand for a back door to Apple data threatens Americans, lawmakers say

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I keep saying this, and nobody believes me, but I'm just going to keep trying: These things happen because so often we focus the privacy conversation on corporations, which is exactly where the governments want it to be. My controversial but strong opinion is that privacy from corporations matters very little, but privacy from governments matters very much. We need to stop allowing the conversation to get distracted…

Your post is reminiscent of Rogaway's paper "The Moral Character of Cryptographic Work"

https://eprint.iacr.org/2015/1162.pdf

Re: U.K. demand for a back door to Apple data threatens Americans, lawmakers say

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The US, through the Intel ME software, already got a backdoor in most laptop. Using PRISM, it also had one on most big Saas, and now that it's over, it probably has a similar one we don't know about given Snowden's revelations about xkeyscore and how it works. It's very likely they also have a backdoor in Apple phone with a gag order, given Apple was part of PRISM and we can't check their proprietary system. We also…

> very likely they also have a backdoor in Apple phone with a gag order, given Apple was part of PRISM People keep repeating this as if PRISM was a voluntary, or even secretly cooperative, program. PRISM was no such thing. PRISM was the US govt snarfing up whatever data they could (under questionable legal authority), but no one has ever alleged that the data they were snarfing was provided willingly or knowingly by…

Wikipedia clearly states:

PRISM collects stored internet communications based on demands made to internet companies such as Google LLC and Apple under Section 702 of the FISA Amendments Act of 2008 to turn over any data that match court-approved search terms.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM

They were actively providing the data on request.

Re: U.K. demand for a back door to Apple data threatens Americans, lawmakers say

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Citation needed

> In London, a barrister who held up a blank piece of paper in Parliament Square was asked for his details by Metropolitan Police officers, and told that he would be arrested under the Public Order Act if he wrote "Not My King" on the paper. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blank_paper_protest

Already commented on here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43040546

In short, he wasn’t charged yet when similar protests happen in the US (for example) then people do get charged.

Re: U.K. demand for a back door to Apple data threatens Americans, lawmakers say

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I keep saying this, and nobody believes me, but I'm just going to keep trying: These things happen because so often we focus the privacy conversation on corporations, which is exactly where the governments want it to be. My controversial but strong opinion is that privacy from corporations matters very little, but privacy from governments matters very much. We need to stop allowing the conversation to get distracted…

> The worst thing a corporation is likely to do (other than giving your data to governments) is to sell you something. That's all they want. They collect data so they can make money off you. That's not so scary to me. Governments want to put you in jail (or freeze your bank account, etc) if you get out of line. It depends what government and what corporations. If it's a healthy functionally representative government…

In a democracy, the government is an outcome of elections, however they represent the majority and you may not be in that majority. This is why you can't talk about democracy without a strong culture focusing on the individual's rights, aka liberalism, otherwise all you have is a tyranny of the majority.

You're also deeply wrong. The fundamental difference between a state and corporations is that the state has a monopoly on violence and anything that a corporation is doing, and that harms individuals, can only happen with the complicity of the state. For example, there is no such thing as a natural monopoly, all monopolies are granted by the state in one way or another.

And the differences should be obvious, given the state can deprive you of freedom, it can starve you, it can inflict physical violence, and can even kill you. Corporations can't do this, unless the state commands it, obviously.

> It may be harder to influence corporations.

Actually, depriving Apple of the money you'd pay for an iPhone has more impact that your democratic vote. And even if you disagree with this, consider that you can vote for politicians promising to regulate Apple. And switching to Android or Windows has a lower cost than switching countries (and yes, that's an oligopoly, but that's because your state granted it via IP laws).

Re: U.K. demand for a back door to Apple data threatens Americans, lawmakers say

#195

I keep saying this, and nobody believes me, but I'm just going to keep trying: These things happen because so often we focus the privacy conversation on corporations, which is exactly where the governments want it to be. My controversial but strong opinion is that privacy from corporations matters very little, but privacy from governments matters very much. We need to stop allowing the conversation to get distracted…

That’s not the worst thing a corp can do. The worst things a corp can do is sell your private data to someone else, monopolize a critical function and squeeze you dry, or block you from a monopolized utility that is critical to modern society. The focus need to be on both

Is there an example of this happening? Seems like a stretch.

On the other hand there are examples of people in the UK expressing racist sentiments in DMs and being jailed for it.

Re: U.K. demand for a back door to Apple data threatens Americans, lawmakers say

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Not doubting this whatsoever, but what are you citing here?

Apple’s own transparency report. Look at the FISA (FAA702, aka Prism) section. Per the Snowden slides, this (FAA702 collection) is the #1 most used collection method by US spies. They can basically read approximately every camera roll and iMessage in the country with a few clicks.

So, seems that E2E is a total bullshit then?

Re: U.K. demand for a back door to Apple data threatens Americans, lawmakers say

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I can hold my government accountable via the polling booth I have no control over Apple or Amazon or Alphabet. I can petition the government through the court system if it tries to put me in jail, the government functions with a massive series of checks and balances. I can't petition google, they are an unelected uncontrollable unaccountable entity that not even the government has power over

No you can’t. If you live in California, with a population of 39.43 million, you get the same representation in the Senate as Wyoming with a population of 538,486 residents. Not to mention gerrymandering, the electoral college, etc. Your vote even as part of a collective doesn’t represent the will of the people. We are seeing right now with President Musk that the President can complete ignore the constitution and th…

Citizens aren't represented in the Senate. Citizens are represented in the House of Representatives. That's why California has 52 representatives and Wyoming has 1. The Senate represents the state itself, which is why each state has 2 senators. This misunderstanding of the difference between the House and the Senate needs to end.

Re: U.K. demand for a back door to Apple data threatens Americans, lawmakers say

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Wait until you speak out against your government or try to organize a protest. More realistically, if you are a women trying to get an abortion in Texas and message someone to help you leave the state to get one see how much more you should be worried. https://www.texastribune.org/2024/02/09/texas-abortion-trans... The government has guns and policemen that can take away your freedom, your property without a trial (c…

Google can kill your digital identity for completely arbitrary, unknowable reasons. Especially if you are all-in on their system, as many, many people are. How many people have ran to social media begging for help because every avenue offered for appeals are simply automatically rejected?

My “digital identity” isn’t tied to Google.

When Reddit started acting crazy, I deleted my Reddit account and didn’t look back.

When Facebook, went full MAGA, I deleted my Facebook and Instagram accounts.

I use Gmail. But if it disappeared, there are a million other email providers.

Google Photos is just one of many services my photos and videos sync to - iCloud, OneDrive, Amazon Drive (photos only) and my local Mac.

It would be an inconvenience for the few places that I use Gmail for. But I have use Apple’s Hide My Email feature since it’s been a thing and that’s connected to Yahoo address and I could change iCloud to forward to another email address.

It’s a lot easier to remove my dependence on Google than get from under the thumb of the US. I know, I’m seriously thinking about a “Plan B” to get out of the US after retirement with the way that the US is headed under President Musk with the dismantling of the health care system and trying to undermine Medicare and probably the ACA where I won’t be able to retire early and buy insurance on the public market.

Re: U.K. demand for a back door to Apple data threatens Americans, lawmakers say

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No you can’t. If you live in California, with a population of 39.43 million, you get the same representation in the Senate as Wyoming with a population of 538,486 residents. Not to mention gerrymandering, the electoral college, etc. Your vote even as part of a collective doesn’t represent the will of the people. We are seeing right now with President Musk that the President can complete ignore the constitution and th…

Citizens aren't represented in the Senate. Citizens are represented in the House of Representatives. That's why California has 52 representatives and Wyoming has 1. The Senate represents the state itself, which is why each state has 2 senators. This misunderstanding of the difference between the House and the Senate needs to end.

Who confirms judges and heads of various departments? The House is powerless compared to the Senate.

Re: U.K. demand for a back door to Apple data threatens Americans, lawmakers say

#200

I keep saying this, and nobody believes me, but I'm just going to keep trying: These things happen because so often we focus the privacy conversation on corporations, which is exactly where the governments want it to be. My controversial but strong opinion is that privacy from corporations matters very little, but privacy from governments matters very much. We need to stop allowing the conversation to get distracted…

If the companies are selling, then the government can always buy, or just ask.
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