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Starting social media shame wars over minor disagreements isn't exactly what I would call hacker spirit, but whatever.
Hard to call what's going on a "minor disagreement" though. And that's the problem - some people just stonewall and the leadership refuses to do anything about it.
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It's hard to know what he exactly means by this. It sounds pretty bad but this guy does seem to attract and develop a fair bit of drama and this could be a bit exaggerated from the truth.
It very likely is. By "abusers" he likely means "people that are rude to him online" and by "stalkers" the same. Nobody is following him around IRL. He probably is referring mainly to the Kiwifarms people that get a kick out of documenting the downwards spiral of someone like Hector.
Unless he got an extensive posting online on social media platforms I doubt he would garner much attention.
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I didn't say Rust for Linux community, I said Rust community. Here's an example [1]. You don't have to search online forums and mailing lists very long to find countless others like this. The problem with the brigading (which has been done by the Rust for Linux community) is that it invites these zealots into the conversation. It's totally inappropriate and not at all constructive towards a compromise. Plus the state…
> You don't have to search online forums and mailing lists very long to find countless others like this. So -- you're bothered by people on the internet, but not specifically the Rust for Linux people or the Rust project people? I guess -- I'm sorry people are saying mean things about a programming language on the internet? There are also just as many (more!) anti-Rust partisans out there too, who say lots of crazy s…
Yes, they're free to rewrite their own projects in Rust. They aren't free to force others to do the same to their projects. That's what this is all about: a prominent R4L community leader tried to use brigading and shaming to force a Linux kernel maintainer into accepting and maintaining Rust code (along with the entire toolchain to support it). The maintainer refused, Linus got involved, and marcan stormed out of the room.
This isn't a debate about technical merits. It's a debate about maturity and what's appropriate for collaborating with others (and what's not). The Rust community has been going through a lot of growing pains over this issue for a while now.
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> it was clear that this will end up this way the moment marcan started ranting on social media about having to send kernel patches via e-mails. Collaborating on software development is a social activity and stuff like convincing maintainers to trust you and your approach is just as important part of it (if not more important) as writing code. Yeah but FFS using email for patches when there are so much better ways of…
I personally don't think GitHub's PR model is superior to e-mail based patch management for two reasons. First, e-mail needs no additional middleware at git level to process (I can get my mails and directly start working on my machine), plus e-mail is at least one of Git's native patch management mechanisms. This is not about spam, server management or GitLab/Gitea/whatever issue. This is catering to most diverse wor…
Well until you deal with email deliverability issues, which are staggeringly widespread and random. Email were great to send quick patches between friends like you'd exchange a USB key for a group project. For a project the size of Linux? It doesn't scale at all. There is a reason why Google, Meta, Red Hat, and [insert any tech company here] doesn't collaborate by sending patches via email.
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It's hard to know what he exactly means by this. It sounds pretty bad but this guy does seem to attract and develop a fair bit of drama and this could be a bit exaggerated from the truth.
It very likely is. By "abusers" he likely means "people that are rude to him online" and by "stalkers" the same. Nobody is following him around IRL. He probably is referring mainly to the Kiwifarms people that get a kick out of documenting the downwards spiral of someone like Hector.
> But then also came the entitled users. This time, it wasn’t about stealing games, it was about features. “When is Thunderbolt coming?” “Asahi is useless to me until I can use monitors over USB-C” “The battery life sucks compared to macOS” (nobody ever complained when compared to x86 laptops…) “I can’t even check my CPU temperature” (yes, I seriously got that one). This sounds so rough. I can't imagine pouring your…
I don't get that complaint. None of those messages demand anything from anyone or berate Asahi Linux. It's just useful feedback and questions.
Basically, making linux work on Apple hardware is a pretty hard task, including a shitload of reverse engineering.
When a user decides to try it, and finds a lot of features missing, they are completely unaware of the work required to get it into that state, and just think they should have the readily available features.
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Well, if anyone broke the law or harmed him he needs to go to law enforcement or the FBI. Outside of that, just get used to be thrown abuse of all kinds. If you get tagged by a group like that the more you talk about them the more you give them ammo.
The cops are fucking useless. I got death threats, bomb threats and a host of other shit and it's rare that the cops ever find the actor behind it. There is one particular "bulletproof" email hoster (the one with a bunch of very offensive and trolling domain names) that does absolutely zero cooperation with the police, and even if they did, it's likely that the other side uses Tor and the investigation ends there. An…
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100% agree. For the last few years, I've been saying the following regularly (to friends, family and coworkers): communication is the hardest thing humans will ever do. Period. Going to the moon, launching rockets, building that amazing app... the hardest thing of all is communicating with other people to get it done. As a founder (for 40+ years and counting) I manage a lot of different type of people and communicati…
> (yes, this is direct from stoicism) stoics don't write multi-paragraph goodbye letters
Working/contributing in FOSS is already slave labor in itself (literally, billion dollar companies depend on FOSS and many do not contribute back to the ecosystem they depend on). Then the abuse from other FOSS developers and community is just cruel.
Hope the guy is able to recover mentally and physically.
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> Assuming everyone is acting in good faith Why would we assume that Ted repeatedly using strawman fallacies, bleating appeals to emotion and acting like a victim...all the while shouting people down...evidence of "acting in good faith"? When you shout over someone like that you're nothing but a bully. > he fails to address the concern that a change they introduce would error downstream and someone else had to clean…
I don't understand how abusive bullies like Ted are allowed the privilege of being a senior kernel developer. This feels, in the end, like the fault of Linus, for allowing abusive maintainers to maintain their grip.