U.K. demand for a back door to Apple data threatens Americans, lawmakers say

Post by lcnPylGDnU4H9OF » Thu, Feb 13, 2025, 5:40 PM UTC

gambiting wrote: post #11

Not to be cynical, but if anyone has looked at anything revealed about security agencies in the last few years it's very clear what's happening here - whenever US wants to do something unpopular/straight up illegal, it just asks the UK(or any other partner country) to do it instead. American government can't ask Apple for data on any American citizen, but if UK obtains that data and then it happens to be shared betwe…

Post by gruez » Thu, Feb 13, 2025, 5:42 PM UTC

hnlmorg wrote: post #90

wonderwonder wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a government that believes in thought crimes. They will likely arrest people for having illegal memes on their phones or for texting messages to friends of which the government does not approve. If there was prequal to 1984, it would look something like this.

I really don’t like the UK governments stance on cyber security / counter-terrorism / et al either. In fact, as a UK citizen I’ve actively campaigned against a great many of their policies. However this “thought police” and “arrested for posting memes” comment that often gets pointed on here is itself a nonsense meme. What actually happened was people were arrested for instigating riots. This is no different to what…

Post by switch007 » Thu, Feb 13, 2025, 5:43 PM UTC

gman83 wrote: post #40

Why is it ok that the American government have a backdoor & have access to all non-American's personal data, but when the UK/EU wants something similar, suddenly it's a massive outrage. Is it just "we're stronger than you", so it's ok when we do it?

Post by throwaway290 » Thu, Feb 13, 2025, 5:45 PM UTC

shakna wrote: post #58

throwaway290 wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With a warrant a company can be forced to implement this capability for a specific case. Is it the same?

"TCNs are orders that require a company to build new capabilities that assist law enforcement agencies in accessing encrypted data. The Attorney-General must approve a TCN by confirming it is reasonable, proportionate, practical, and technically feasible." It's a step above a warrant, as an order, when building a new capability. But yes, its focused in on one case. As to "reasonable" - our current AG is a strong supp…

Post by quesera » Thu, Feb 13, 2025, 5:48 PM UTC

matt-p wrote: post #54

Shank wrote: post #5

I think this is an unquestionable overreach on the UK's part. If you live in any country that isn't the UK, you should feel the threat from this: the UK government believes that it is entitled to a backdoor on your hardware, even if you've never stepped a foot on UK soil or intend to. Mass surveillance is a threat to everyone, but this is not an instance of that, which has guards against it, like encryption. This is…

Right. Who would be the first country the US might go to if it wanted to spy on it's citizens from abroad? Perhaps one who already does this for them using other methods such as wire tapping?