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Fewer students are enrolling in doctoral degrees

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Re: Fewer students are enrolling in doctoral degrees

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If you are high skill enough to do a PhD in anything meaningful, why enter into an open-ended low-paid work contract with a professor with no definite end-date on when the PhD is granted? An american has even less incentive, as the reward of a work permit is not on the other side. Only reason should be that you want to be a professor, research can be done in private companies without this license. 95% of a PhD is wor…

Tenured teaching positions are also in freefall right now.

Re: Fewer students are enrolling in doctoral degrees

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Credit Suisse here in Switzerland used to only hire PhDs for programming positions. It didn’t matter what the PhD was in - they’d train you how to program. Note: credit Suisse collapsed a few years ago and now no longer exists.

> Credit Suisse here in Switzerland used to only hire PhDs for programming positions. It didn’t matter what the PhD was in - they’d train you how to program.

> Note: credit Suisse collapsed a few years ago and now no longer exists.

So you're saying that was a sound strategy on their part

Re: Fewer students are enrolling in doctoral degrees

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post #7

Maybe a correction is needed. Academia has become so gamified. It's supposed to be about ideas, truth, beauty. Too many are in it for the prestige, which has ironically made it less prestigious. Very few true eccentrics left.

Oh please, when has Academia not been about prestige?

Re: Fewer students are enrolling in doctoral degrees

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post #18
post #7

Maybe a correction is needed. Academia has become so gamified. It's supposed to be about ideas, truth, beauty. Too many are in it for the prestige, which has ironically made it less prestigious. Very few true eccentrics left.

Academia is not about truth or beauty and never was.

You’re wrong. It is for a good chunk of the academics I know, and they are the most delightful people to hang out with.

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Distinctions only hold esteem over time if they are worthy of it. The last two PhD’s that crossed my feed had dissertations on “The Architecture of Whiteness” https://x.com/garrett_rhianna/status/1889609612367700377 And “The Politics of Smell” https://x.com/drallylouks/status/1868782615324770561 If the PhD is losing its lustre, it’s because the Universities took the shine off.

That Politics of Smell thesis is actually pretty great, I'm sorry you couldn't get past the title. Frankly, dragging Dr. Louks, who's already explained her thesis and how it was written after it blew up in certain online circles, tells me you didn't actually think that deeply on what she was trying to say. Probably means that the Architecture of Whiteness paper is worth a look, though, so thanks for the unintentional recommendation.

Re: Fewer students are enrolling in doctoral degrees

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post #5

If you are high skill enough to do a PhD in anything meaningful, why enter into an open-ended low-paid work contract with a professor with no definite end-date on when the PhD is granted? An american has even less incentive, as the reward of a work permit is not on the other side. Only reason should be that you want to be a professor, research can be done in private companies without this license. 95% of a PhD is wor…

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Re: Fewer students are enrolling in doctoral degrees

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Blaming "High living costs" is like blaming the victim of a theft for carrying something of value in the first place. Come on use the words that are actually plaguing PhD programs, exploitation of cheap labor and minimum pay for working endless hours

"entering into a work contract is theft" what's plaguing phd programs is the lack of value for attaining a phd. the labor is cheap because it isn't valuable. the hours are endless because the output is low. victim mentality infects everything

> it isn't valuable

Science is the quintessential example of high-value work with poor value-capture characteristics, and is often used in econ classes as an example of where the "captured value = value" approximation breaks down.

Re: Fewer students are enrolling in doctoral degrees

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As a software engineer, a PhD doesn't seem worth it.

It's a lot of work and time, and most companies don't particularly need PhDs. Maybe a PhD gets a boost in pay starting out, but 5 years of experience cancels out most of the benefit. I suppose PhDs can get a shortcut into Prinicple or Senior roles, so there's some tangible benefit.

On the other hand, if a company is hiring PhDs and doing research, I feel those jobs are most likely to get cut if business is going poorly.

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