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Why young parents should focus on building trust with their kids

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Re: Why young parents should focus on building trust with their kids

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Marshmallow test is one of those things real psychologists (whether practical or science) just do not care all that much about, but pop culture is sure obsessed with it.

The original paper has been cited 2000 times: https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&scioq=... That's a lot of citations for something they 'just do not care' about.

I agree.

But do bear in mind, an intro textbook for a 101 class aiming to correct popular misunderstandings; or an experimental guide wanting to give examples of mistakes one should avoid; or an article on the replication crisis would also count as citations, even as they sneered at the original faulty work.

Re: Why young parents should focus on building trust with their kids

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You've just given the perfect example of Attachment Theory [0]. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attachment_theory

what the hell... how so?

Well I'm no champion of this theory.. bit skeptical TBH having been shown during some parenting coaching BUT the idea is kids who have a loving, trusting and attentive relationship with their primary care giver will be more likely to trust and seek help from others later in life and vice versa.

Re: Why young parents should focus on building trust with their kids

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Psychologists, in my experience, seem to be strangely unaware of what is taken seriously by other psychologists. They're generally 50/50 on Freud, for instance, and the half who don't care much for him also don't think anyone does.

The people who still think Freud is relevant are known as “psychoanalysists” in the same way that we separate chiropractors (loony fake back doctors, equiv to psychoanalysis) from real back doctors.

Found one!

But seriously, if you don't like Freud, you're going to have to come up with a better response than just saying he's a kook; we all know he's a kook!

A) Talk therapy was the mode invented by Freud and is still the dominant modality of psychotherapy today, and

B) While you didn't mention it but, at the time, Cocaine was in common use as a near magical local anaesthetic and from it we derive procaine, lidocaine, any drug ending in -caine, which you certainly have been administered before, and

C)If all we have in our psychological and social lives are narratives, and the narratives bind us into certain patterns which we don't even realize we are following, then the counter to that cannot be another narrative which equally obscures its reproductive capacity (ie "the data"). Freud created stories that untied themselves at their roots, that put patients, not to mention regular people, ill at ease. Even sex with siblings is less taboo, certainly less universally taboo, than sex with one's parents, even if the latter is more genetically troublesome--is this an accident? The stories got to things at their base level, which was impossible by any other means. They might be a bit weird, but they force you to think, maybe even to act differently under the right circumstances (those of treatment), and the latter is what we'd call medical care, no?

Re: Why young parents should focus on building trust with their kids

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post #40

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Psychologists, in my experience, seem to be strangely unaware of what is taken seriously by other psychologists. They're generally 50/50 on Freud, for instance, and the half who don't care much for him also don't think anyone does.

Probably because Psychology is super individual und culturally dependent. Nothing Psychologists ever "find out" generally applies, but just happens in their little circle und their circumstances in their time.

Except the incest taboo, which is not culturally dependent.

Re: Why young parents should focus on building trust with their kids

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Going off on a tangent, but what's the point of washing an orange?

Assuming you wash your other produce (you probably should, especially if you buy organic and don't like e. coli.), the question you're asking is just "how does the crap on the outside get into the inside?" The usual route for those contaminants is peel -> hands -> fleshy fruity bits. A lot more is transferred than you might think.

For a bit of fun, try the same idea with a few dirty potatoes. Wash two thoroughly, and leave one unwashed. Peel a washed one, peel the unwashed one, and peel the last washed one. You'll observe that both of the latter two are much dirtier than the first one [0]. It won't be as dirty as what you started with, but it'll still be enough to cause some minor taste issues and (depending on the type of soil) make the dish feel gritty as you eat it. Contaminants you can't physically see/taste/feel are transferred the same way.

[0] There's a minor confounder in that potato flesh can oxidize, and that discoloration might be perceived as dirt. It's not as bad as with, e.g., apples though. Just work quickly, and the difference in dirt levels should be apparent.

Re: Why young parents should focus on building trust with their kids

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I'm going to quote the paragraph you're responding to so that those just reading the comments can see what it actually says: > The marshmallow test also doesn’t account for cultural differences. In some cultures, waiting is baked into daily life. Think about Japan, where kids are often taught to wait quietly for meals or gifts. Compare that to the US, where instant gratification is practically a way of life. These cu…

Culture comparisons are a notoriously touchy topic. For some people, the topic itself is a taboo. I believe that's why the poster you're replying to had that reaction. For others, it's a topic to discuss and learn from.

It is important that we stop taking people who treat this topic as a taboo seriously at all

This modern mentality of "all cultures are equal and valid and none are superior to any other" is just ridiculous

Culture is something we are always looking to improve on. In this way, we are comparing our existing culture against hypothetical future cultures and deciding that one of them is more desirable

If we can compare a real culture with a hypothetical culture, then we can certainly compare two real cultures using similar criteria

Re: Why young parents should focus on building trust with their kids

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post #268

This is stupid. The article misses its own point. The marshmallow test does not predict success in life. Success in life predicts the marshmallow test. All the other factors they measure are variants of this. Success of parents, stability of home life, etc., are not random events that happen to a child. They are contributors via a variety of uncontrolled factors that correlate to being successful later in life. In ot…

I don't think the author disagrees. He's not implying that the marshmallow test is the cause for success. I think he says what you say - that passing the marshmallow test is a measure of success of how well you parented a child. Note the last sentence: > And who knows, maybe one day they will pass their own version of the marshmallow test The marshmallow test is just a rhetorical symbol for patience and virtue. I.e.…

The idea of the article is to create an environment at home so that your child feels secure in the sense of being able to pass the marshmallow test.

This is the same sort of logic that leads to the idea that you should have a large home library, because that is predictive of success, or make sure your kids don't have holes in their shoes because that is predictive of success. If you "fix" these things they lose their predictive power. Similarly if everyone tries to modify their parenting behavior so that the children can pass a hypothetical marshmallow test, then you will find that the test is no longer predictive of success.

Re: Why young parents should focus on building trust with their kids

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Honestly, yes this guy's comment screams white guy growing up in a white culture. Like... do you really think your culture is a default and you would've been like you are without your outside influence? Your culture is very specific and no more default than any other.

Hegemony lets you become the “default”. I can use the US dollar to pay for anything I want, anywhere, even if it’s not an official local currency. Try that with any other currency. That’s one small example of why we can indeed call “west” the “default” no matter how much this pisses off anti-colonialism types.

bro, that's not what I mean. What I mean is this guy really thinks his culture did not effect him. Trust me, if you went to Japan and acted exactly as your American upbringing tells you to, you will fuck up the entire social contract there and people will think you're wierd af. Your culture is not a blank canvas. Your culture is something that affects how you are and this guy seems to think otherwise because he is blind to the strong characteristics of his culture, viewing it as default.

Re: Why young parents should focus on building trust with their kids

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post #115

Going off on a tangent, but what's the point of washing an orange?

I’ve read online that the skin of fruits can contain bugs and larvae that when washed help keep your fruit longer and prevent things like fruit flies.

It depends on a lot of things. You could just as easily wash off the wax that was applied to the orange and make it spoil faster that way, and the extra moisture will cause delicate fruits (like berries) to spoil more quickly than any gains you'll get from the removal of dirt and larvae if you don't dry them very thoroughly.

Re: Why young parents should focus on building trust with their kids

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post #56

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If you abstain from marshmallows for 40 years, I'll give you 1000 marshmallows.

Historic returns is no promise of future returns. Terms and conditions apply. The marshmallow test is interesting. Rather than measuring mainly self control, it might be measure more or less only trust.

It could be a test of which you prefer: an actual-marshmallow or a dream-marshmallow.

It's only natural to prefer the first but I think we can be trained to prefer the second.

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