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Asahi Linux lead developer Hector Martin resigns from Linux kernel

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Re: Asahi Linux lead developer Hector Martin resigns from Linux kernel

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This doesn't make sense to me, why is a manual language that requires validation better than a language that enforces some safety on its own?

Because it forces the developer to think about what is being written at every step of the way, instead of relying on language features that are by far not complete in terms of providing memory safety.

Re: Asahi Linux lead developer Hector Martin resigns from Linux kernel

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There are no C equivalents for the drivers I’m talking about.

I got that - that's why I added the parenthetical. My point was the second sentence. Anyway, thanks for the input about the drivers. And for what it's worth, I expect Rust would offer significant improvements.

Ah, sorry, I misunderstood you. I don’t have a link handy, but Marcan had a post about how they actually re-wrote some in progress drivers from C to Rust because it was easier to do, and so didn’t expect a c version to exist. Basically it was about how driver complexity has increased over time, and Rust helps tackle that in a way that C can’t.

Re: Asahi Linux lead developer Hector Martin resigns from Linux kernel

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You seem to be implying that he had nothing to apologise for, and that abusive behavior is an acceptable part of strong leadership. It’s sad that this even needs to be called out.

Can you explain in simple terms why a person cannot reply abusively (whatever that means) if he so desires? You're not obliged to interact with him, it's a free choice to join or to quit the lkml.

https://www.theregister.com/2020/06/30/hard_to_find_linux_ma...

One of the main issues Torvalds says the kernel has is not being able to find maintainers. People don’t want to be abused while volunteering could be part of that.

Another possibility is that he gets paid over a million dollars a year by an employer, who will have some concerns over legal risks, reputation, etc.

Re: Asahi Linux lead developer Hector Martin resigns from Linux kernel

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I don't quite get the fuzz. A subsystem's maintainer's job is to maintain. If he cannot guarantee the maintenance of something, it's his/her job to say no

You are free to either take over maintenance of the Subsystem or do a fork

But throwing a tamper tantrum on social media is definitely the wrong way forward

Re: Asahi Linux lead developer Hector Martin resigns from Linux kernel

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This is what I got when I posted my comment: https://imgur.com/a/zlNmWtF (TZ is UTC+1) It is gone now and gives a generic "nothing here"; I have no idea whether the "suspended by moderator" display was some kind of bug, transient state, or whether he's just lying, or both things are true and he just deleted his account after it was suspended. (Well, his Reddit post doesn't claim his Mastodon account didn't get suspen…

> whether he's just lying, or both things are true and he just deleted his account after it was suspended This is obviously just a Mastodon bug (backend treats suspension and deletion as the same thing, for example). I'm not sure why one would entertain the idea of marcan making up a lie about being suspended from an instance he's an admin of.

I am on the moderation team at Treehouse. Marcan has not violated any of our community guidelines and he categorically was not suspended from our Fediverse instance. He chose to delete his own account.

Re: Asahi Linux lead developer Hector Martin resigns from Linux kernel

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post #192

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Nothing in Linux is "here to stay", it always has to demonstrate its worth, and what it's worth is depends enirely on the technology and its developers, not Linus.

Would you say that C is "here to stay" in Linux? I would say so. I think you understood what was meant.

No I wouldn't say that. If Rust or another language eventually proved itself more value than C and things were eventually all rewritten, C would go away.

For that matter the C of Linux 10 years ago was not there to stay either, it has changed and certain features and practices are deprecated and dropped and others adopted. It's not the same C.

Re: Asahi Linux lead developer Hector Martin resigns from Linux kernel

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Linus replied: How about you accept the fact that maybe the problem is you. You think you know better. But the current process works. It has problems, but problems are a fact of life. There is no perfect. However, I will say that the social media brigading just makes me not want to have anything at all to do with your approach. Because if we have issues in the kernel development model, then social media sure as hell…

> no than\k you

Is that a typo or he indeed intended to escape that 'k'?

(Sorry, I know this doesn't add to the drama or what's going on there, which really doesn't interest me one way or the other, but this tiny bit had me curious)

Re: Asahi Linux lead developer Hector Martin resigns from Linux kernel

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I guess technically that’s true, but it cannot possibly take long to learn how to use `git format-patch`, and everyone should already know how to attach a file to an email. Even if you have to spend half an hour reading the entire output of `git format-patch --help`, is that really enough to prevent you from sending your first patch?

Yes.

Ok, let me get this straight. You diagnosed a problem in the Linux kernel. You debugged it and figured out how to fix it. You edited the kernel source code, recompiled it, and tested your fix. After all that, if you have to read a man page you’ll just give up?

That’s seriously lame.

Re: Asahi Linux lead developer Hector Martin resigns from Linux kernel

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post #427

I've been saying this for years now: the rust4linux folks are putting so much effort into trying to upstream their work, seems like they should instead put that effort into maintaining a fork. Arguably it would be less hours spent porting than arguing with humans. Certainly more pleasant! Then one of two things will happen: * Rust will prove its worth and their fork will be the better operating system. Distros will s…

I think you're discounting the very real damage that would be done by Linux a project controlled by Linus and a community being replaced by Linux a project controlled by Google/Samsung/Redhat/Microsoft. I'm afraid that this is what is going to happen with the Linus tree effectively rejecting rust drivers by subjecting anyone attempting to upstream rust code to persistent bullying, but I don't want it to happen.

Why do people think rejecting rust drivers is a bad thing? It's a fucking c project.

Re: Asahi Linux lead developer Hector Martin resigns from Linux kernel

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> whether he's just lying, or both things are true and he just deleted his account after it was suspended This is obviously just a Mastodon bug (backend treats suspension and deletion as the same thing, for example). I'm not sure why one would entertain the idea of marcan making up a lie about being suspended from an instance he's an admin of.

I am on the moderation team at Treehouse. Marcan has not violated any of our community guidelines and he categorically was not suspended from our Fediverse instance. He chose to delete his own account.

I can reproduce the bug:

1. go to https://social.treehouse.systems/explore

2. type @marcan in the search box

3. select "go to profile" from suggestions

Feels like a problem with the dynamic/partial JS content loading.

(Apologies for the confusion, there's no indication that made me suspect a bug... and I hadn't at that point seen anything about him deleting his own account yet.)

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