He basically said goodbye like 4 times and continued to make long ass rants that lead to nothing. Is this what you want to spend your time on? I already feel gross that I went through all these threads. I can't imagine how you would feel having written all these paragraphs of slop.
Asahi Linux lead developer Hector Martin resigns from Linux kernel
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Re: Asahi Linux lead developer Hector Martin resigns from Linux kernel
#732Rust has probably the most toxic people in open source software.
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#733Earlier quoted context omitted.
My experience with Rust and people who use Rust has actually been great. There seems to be an entire second world of “Rust community” and Rust zealots online who are heavy on the drama, though. It really does feel like an alternate Rust universe. Although when I think about it, several of my other interests and hobbies are exactly like this. Great in the real world, but as soon as you step into certain online spaces…
I don't think that's true. I think the C guys told themselves that writing safe C code is just a matter of skill, but data shows that the amount of skill necessary to avoid writing unsafe C just isn't there. The average C developer isn't as competent as they claim. You can lie to yourself and say that the same security problems exist in other languages, but that isn't true. When I check the vulnerabilities marked as…
Java also had its share of remote code execution attacks. Security is quite complex domain and it is not just memory overwrites that can allow RCE attacks. Though I can agree that in average C/C++ is more vulnerable.
Re: Asahi Linux lead developer Hector Martin resigns from Linux kernel
#734The Rust drama is an uncommon failure of leadership for Torvalds. Instead of decisively saying "no, never" or "yes, make it so," he has consistently equivocated on the Rust issue. Given the crisis of confidence among a sizeable (and very vocal) contingent of the Linux community, that decision has backfired horribly. And it's quite out of character for Linus not to have a blazingly clear opinion. (We all know his stan…
> Instead of decisively saying "no, never" or "yes, make it so," he has consistently equivocated on the Rust issue.
He probably didn't want to end up like Stallman.
Re: Asahi Linux lead developer Hector Martin resigns from Linux kernel
#735He basically said goodbye like 4 times and continued to make long ass rants that lead to nothing. Is this what you want to spend your time on? I already feel gross that I went through all these threads. I can't imagine how you would feel having written all these paragraphs of slop.
I had to remove marcan from my social media because he constantly generates this kind if drama. :/
Re: Asahi Linux lead developer Hector Martin resigns from Linux kernel
#736I wish Linus Torvalds to have long life and powers to keep his down-to-earth approach as long as it is possible. I wish his era was never replaced.
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#737Earlier quoted context omitted.
My thought is what's telling is the 'rewrite it in rust'. Rust doesn't have a new business case. C was better than assembly. C++ was better than C for GUI applications. JAVA has garbage collection and usually won't force you to fix your machine after a bad crash. Python is better than Perl for quick and dirty stuff. PHP lets you build a web service without much pain. C# is a better Java that also gives you better int…
> Go codebases? Switching to Rust so you can what exactly? The way I heard it, the Rust's type system, async implementation(s), they way lifetimes just keep propagating once you start, and its macro languages are way more engaging, thus Rust must be superior.
but those improvements, and the complexity that they bring, are not enough to make the switch from a Go codebase to a Rust codebase unless performance is REALLY an issue.
Re: Asahi Linux lead developer Hector Martin resigns from Linux kernel
#738Earlier quoted context omitted.
Any trending language will attract some not so great people who make their choice of a shiny language their whole personality. It's really a pity for rust to be in that position now, as those people are there for the feeling of superiority and will cause drama to get it If rust ends up being mainstream successful, those people will move on to something else and start attacking rust for whatever they feel their new la…
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I haven't seen that as much. The horde of people chasing the hype curve left C behind long ago. When they leave rust, rust will be better off
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#739Earlier quoted context omitted.
It’s true though? I don’t see anyone picking C/C++ over Rust/Go in my immediate environment. That might reflect my environment, but all of the things I’d consider C variations for I’d use Rust for as well…
I meant the whole “we are on the right side of history” and if you’re not with us you’re against us and we’ll wage a public drama campaign against you.
Exactly.
Re: Asahi Linux lead developer Hector Martin resigns from Linux kernel
#740Earlier quoted context omitted.
People should read it: "... I come at this from the perspective of having worked on Linux since around December of 1991. I first met you and Tove in 1995 at the Free Software Conference at MIT that Stallman sponsored. ... Probably the last technical contribution of my career is leading an initiative to provide the Linux community a generic security modeling architecture. Not to supplant or replace anything currently…
I don't know, dropping 17000 lines of code is probably not the best way to solicit technical discussions ( https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20240826103728.3378-1-greg@enje... is the patch set in question)
17KLoC? Maybe he should consider they’re probably still reviewing it through bloody eyes. But seriously I wouldn’t want to review that much code.