Complete waste of time. At this point I am not sure if its Europe not wanting to understand, or the lack of abilityto understand.
U.K. orders Apple to let it spy on users’ encrypted accounts
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#512I feel Apple is one of the few companies that has the market power to say, Fuck you, we will just not sell or offer any services in your market, and I suspect that would be enough for voters to knock some sense into their government.
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#513Earlier quoted context omitted.
This stuff started from the Online Safety Act 2023 passed under Rishi Sunak's Tory government. For some reason Americans, including Musk, go all partisan and feel the need to blame speech restriction on the lefty party but it's not what happened.
No, it started with the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000 (RIPA), passed under Tony Blair's Labour government. I'll skip the same extreme partisan rant, but replacing Musk with Soros or whoever.
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#514This is so disheartening. I thought we were making progress in the anti-surveillance privacy narrative, but this says otherwise. As a UK citizen, is there anything I can do to dissuade this? edit: typo
Let's start supporting parties that have principles. And stop making excuses for parties that don't (i.e. Labour, Lib Dems and Conservatives). At the moment, the UK public (and media) considers it a sport to disparage and smear parties like Reform, whose leaders want to shrink the power and over-reach of the state. We are so concerned with appearing virtuous and internationally generous, we cannot be seen to align wi…
> Let's start supporting parties that have principles.
The problem is that there are none.
The correct assessment of all these political parties is that by default, they all cannot be trusted. Especially both labour and the conservatives.
> This self-defeating attitude needs to change if we want a better future for our children.
Yes. The second problem is that the United Kingdom is incapable to changing itself historically and is fundamentally destined to never be open to change.
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#515I don't think the UK government would try to put Apple out of business if they don't comply it's more likely that they would just get heavily fined until they do so. The most likely outcome, I would guess, is that Apple just stop offering Advanced Data Protection as a service in the UK rather than create some kind of backdoor. It's a weak proposition from the government because anyone with something to hide will just…
Governments have much more power than global companies, even though it seems that they are untouchable from the outside.
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#516Earlier quoted context omitted.
I've been following the stories relatively closely, since I live here and have an interest in these things. I'm not aware of any arrests for "disagreeing with the extreme left", which is what I'm specifically asking about. It's important not to distort facts to fit a narrative. As you probably know, we don't have first amendment protection in the UK.
We're talking about US citizens -- who are protected by the first amendment -- who have never set foot on UK soil being threatened with extradition to the UK! This is not justifiable.
You're talking about that, but it's unclear why, because it's not an example of someone being jailed for "disagreeing with the extreme left on social media".
It's also a silly story. The dual criminality requirement, and various other considerations, make it virtually certain that no such extradition will occur. Those who fear that the UK is descending into a dystopian hell may be comforted to know that we have the world's stupidest police officers. Your news story can't even be bothered to track down the specific moron who made this statement (Metropolitan Police Commissioner Mark Rowley), referring instead to a fictional 'head of police'.
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"As far as we know" is the most important part.
It seems apparent to me that Apple leaked this information to US press in an attempt to get the UK to back off. Wouldn't Apple also try to subvert the attempt for US intelligence to get a backdoor? Or do we think Apple has less of a leg to stand on with US and would be more likely to roll over?
> Or do we think Apple has less of a leg to stand on with US and would be more likely to roll over?
Apple has no leg to stand on at all. When the NSA comes to your door and demands access to everything you have you don't get to say no. There is no court you can appeal to, and they'll take whatever they want and order you to keep your mouth shut about it. They'll walk right into your headquarters and data centers, force you to move your employees so they can set up an office for themselves on your property, insert their equipment into your network directly and take everything just like they did with AT&T decades ago (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A)
Your only options are to comply or shut down (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavabit) and I'm not even sure the US government would allow "shut down" as an option in some cases. It seems likely that they'd keep a massive target like Apple running even if the owners of the company wanted to cease operations, but lets be honest, Apple makes a lot of people very very rich so they'd never walk away from that. They'll keep making their money and just try to convince themselves that the US are the "good guys" and so it must be okay.
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> As a UK citizen, is there anything I can do to dissuade this? If you voted for this Tory-lite government, then you can stop voting for any future Tory-lite governments. If you did not, there's not much you can do in practice without devoting your life to it.
But the Tories are not in power. Can't labour just repeal it?
Which party do you think passed the "Tell us your password or go to prison law" to begin with?
(Hint: It certainly isn't Tory.)
It's also one of the reasons why I will never vote Labour as long as I live.
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#519Earlier quoted context omitted.
You're assuming that turning off ADP in the U.K. is sufficient to appease the British Government. The Investigatory Powers Act can also be interpreted to give the U.K. the right to ask for encrypted data from users outside of the U.K. (see Apple making this exact point in a filing here [1].) Turning off ADP in the U.K. doesn't end the controversy if that's what's at stake. [1] https://bsky.app/profile/matthewdgreen.b…
Guess what? Trump will (hopefully) come to the rescue here. Don't laugh at that. I'd imagine he will be helpful possibly even with some of the EU rules such as in particular the one which makes even small US companies liable (as I recal) for notifying users of cookies on a website.
Tim Apple has been on inauguration, so very possible.
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#520From the macrumors thread: > So much for personal liberties. I'd like to give Labour the benefit of the doubt and assume this is a holdover from the last government knowing how fast the civil service actually works but given the Tory 3.0 plan they are going with I wouldn't put it passed them. >We didn't vote for this. You very much did vote for this, you voted for Labour under Keir Starmer and he did not particularly…
quite why Labour deserve the benefit of the doubt on anything authoritarian I don't know Labour was behind: - forced key disclosure (Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000), still in force - 72 day detention without charge (Terrorism Act 2006), defeated before it became an Act - national identity register and mandatory id cards (Identity Cards Act 2006), ripped up by the next Tory government - various attempts a…
Didn't they abolish double jeopardy and introduce secret trials as well?