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U.K. orders Apple to let it spy on users’ encrypted accounts

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Post by chupasaurus »

dijksterhuis wrote: post #127
csmattryder wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ahh, I used to have that opinion, but I've encountered too many "It's fine if they want it, I've got nothing to hide" people. (They never give you their Facebook password if you ask, though. Funny, that.) Change what you can, I say, VPN on the network device.

focus on the John Oliver dick pic argument. https://www.wired.com/2015/04/john-oliver-edward-snowden-dic... > When Oliver shows Snowden evidence that all typical Americans care about is whether the government can see our "dick pics," he encourages Snowden to go through a list of every government surveillance program and explain its capabilities in terms of access to "dick pics."

One of my all-time favorites: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41595924

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Post by guappa »

bilekas wrote: post #79

> requires that Apple creates a back door that allows UK security officials unencumbered access to encrypted user data worldwide How could this even be enforced if Apple pulls out cloud services of the UK ? It's such a ridiculous request, the British Intelligence agencies must be bored coming up with new ways to make Apple look good.

Probably a manouver to make them look good but also privately complying anyway.

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Post by JoshTriplett »

throw0101c wrote: post #195
insane_dreamer wrote: post #186

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> I'm still missing how this could be enforced ? By banning Apple from doing business in the UK. The US used a similar strategy decades ago to break Swiss Bank Secrecy laws (either Swiss banks had to give up the info or they were going to be kicked out of the US).

> By banning Apple from doing business in the UK. To use poker terminology: I think that if the UK made this bet that Apple would call.

I really hope so. I would love to see that showdown. Hopefully, "can't buy an iPhone in the UK and everyone knows why" makes the Snooper's Charter a radioactive mess that legislators fall all over themselves to repeal.

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Post by agloe_dreams »

jibe wrote: post #185
elashri wrote: post #116

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I have lived to the day that we give an example on china not doing something stupid a western democracy does about rights and freedom. Wild times to be alive. I am also surprised that they demand worldwide access and not just UK users data or all the data stored in UK jurisdiction. But this is going too far.

China has forced Apple to outsource iCloud in China to a state run company, so all data is just directly controlled by the government there. It’s an even worse situation. https://support.apple.com/en-us/111754

That is just China's general rules around tech. Awful? Yes. But not a global issue. Most non-chinese companies are forced to have their chinese properties ran by a chinese company. This is shown by companies like VW having cars made in china with effectively a license model, these cars are designed and built by a third party with a few interesting exceptions (VW actually licensed a design, the Taos, back and shipped it worldwide)

The insane overreach was the UK wanting data on people not in the UK

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Post by brandon272 »

botanical76 wrote: post #91

This is so disheartening. I thought we were making progress in the anti-surveillance privacy narrative, but this says otherwise. As a UK citizen, is there anything I can do to dissuade this? edit: typo

> I thought we were making progress in the anti-surveillance privacy narrative, but this says otherwise.

I think we are perhaps the lowest point ever in terms of anti-surveillance efforts. There seems to be bipartisan effort among many (most?) western governments that the government should have unfettered access to all data, regardless of any reasonable expectation of privacy.

Encryption seems barely tolerated these days. Governments are insisting on backdoors, they are making it illegal in some cases for companies to even discuss what is going on or that monitoring is happening.

We barely know what is going on with the programs and efforts that get leaked to the media, much less the programs that operate in total secret.

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Post by fukawi2 »

y-curious wrote: post #190
eptcyka wrote: post #117

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It is actually Australia where the US goes to test out far-out legislative ideas before implementing them at home.

Australia does a great job of enacting wacky authoritarian policies in the last 5 years; It would make sense to use them as a staging ground. Does any specific legislation come to mind?

Social media ban for under 16s is the latest half witted idea enacted by the government here.

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Post by throwaway290 »

Surprising that UK specifically demanded a worldwide backdoor, not just backdoor for UK citizens. Looks like a good workaround for this US gov to get info on Americans via 5 eyes.

DOGE was recently unable to obtain data on Americans (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/elon-musks-doge-deal...), maybe related...

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Post by guappa »

jibe wrote: post #185
elashri wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have lived to the day that we give an example on china not doing something stupid a western democracy does about rights and freedom. Wild times to be alive. I am also surprised that they demand worldwide access and not just UK users data or all the data stored in UK jurisdiction. But this is going too far.

China has forced Apple to outsource iCloud in China to a state run company, so all data is just directly controlled by the government there. It’s an even worse situation. https://support.apple.com/en-us/111754

At least the CIA doesn't get it… dunno which is worse.
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