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U.K. orders Apple to let it spy on users’ encrypted accounts

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Post by csmattryder »

snapcaster wrote: post #112
csmattryder wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I thought we were making progress in the anti-surveillance privacy na[rra]tive What lead to to believe that? The Conservatives and Conservative-Continuity governments both agree that our data simply must be in the hands of the police, DEFRA, and your local council. RIPA will never be repealed and only strengthened.

I don't disagree with your analysis but i wouldn't be so fatalistic. This stuff _isn't_ inevitable and i think it's possible to win people over to our side. Things can change for the better, but they won't unless people who care don't give up

Ahh, I used to have that opinion, but I've encountered too many "It's fine if they want it, I've got nothing to hide" people. (They never give you their Facebook password if you ask, though. Funny, that.)

Change what you can, I say, VPN on the network device.

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Post by em500 »

wkat4242 wrote: post #68
AlchemistCamp wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. Due to higher prices, iPhones are more popular in richer countries.

Yeah indeed. The SE is also relatively expensive in Europe. And in Spain Apple seems to have completely removed all trace of the SE from their website. Strange enough. Didn't check other EU sites.

They don't sell the SE in the EU anymore since this year, because it's not compliant with the new regulations that mandate USB-C charging.

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Post by aqme28 »

JW_00000 wrote: post #103
latexr wrote: post #89

> When asked by The Post whether any government had requested a backdoor, Google spokesman Ed Fernandez did not provide a direct answer but suggested none exist: "Google cannot access Android end-to-end encrypted backup data, even with a legal order," he stated. No, that does not suggest none exists, it only says they don’t have access to it. They could have chosen or have been ordered to give the keys to the governm…

But if they could give a key to the government agency, it wouldn't be end-to-end encrypted, right? Or are you thinking they would have a copy of users' keys that they gave out? (Which I guess is technically possible.)

They could also cripple user key-generation. E.g. they choose random primes from a known subset. It would make communication crackable while also being difficult to detect.

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Post by mathw »

elashri wrote: post #116
bilekas wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> prevent the UK authorities from interfering with their activities I'm still missing how this could be enforced ? To my layman understanding, this reads the same as if China said : "Meta, Tesla, Valve etc has entities in China therefore we get to see all data they store in the EU and the US. The UK has Zero jurisdiction in Ireland for example where a lot of EU data may be stored.

I have lived to the day that we give an example on china not doing something stupid a western democracy does about rights and freedom. Wild times to be alive. I am also surprised that they demand worldwide access and not just UK users data or all the data stored in UK jurisdiction. But this is going too far.

And if you think China and the USA and Russia wouldn't want it... hey I've got this bridge for sale.

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Post by arccy »

latexr wrote: post #89

> When asked by The Post whether any government had requested a backdoor, Google spokesman Ed Fernandez did not provide a direct answer but suggested none exist: "Google cannot access Android end-to-end encrypted backup data, even with a legal order," he stated. No, that does not suggest none exists, it only says they don’t have access to it. They could have chosen or have been ordered to give the keys to the governm…

if google were to transfer the keys elsewhere, they would have (temporary) custody of the keys, granting them access, and invalidating the statement.

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Post by miroljub »

layer8 wrote: post #119
bilekas wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> prevent the UK authorities from interfering with their activities I'm still missing how this could be enforced ? To my layman understanding, this reads the same as if China said : "Meta, Tesla, Valve etc has entities in China therefore we get to see all data they store in the EU and the US. The UK has Zero jurisdiction in Ireland for example where a lot of EU data may be stored.

It would be enforced by fining the UK legal entities (or worse, like charging their legal representatives) if they don't comply. If the UK is serious about this, the only alternative for Apple would eventually be to completely cease operations in the UK. By the way, this is similar to why for true GDPR compliance, data centers should be operated by EU companies that aren't subsidiaries of US companies, because even i…

That's actually the only thing that would keep Apple services usable to everyone else around the world.

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Post by dijksterhuis »

csmattryder wrote: post #121
snapcaster wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't disagree with your analysis but i wouldn't be so fatalistic. This stuff _isn't_ inevitable and i think it's possible to win people over to our side. Things can change for the better, but they won't unless people who care don't give up

Ahh, I used to have that opinion, but I've encountered too many "It's fine if they want it, I've got nothing to hide" people. (They never give you their Facebook password if you ask, though. Funny, that.) Change what you can, I say, VPN on the network device.

focus on the John Oliver dick pic argument.

https://www.wired.com/2015/04/john-oliver-edward-snowden-dic...

> When Oliver shows Snowden evidence that all typical Americans care about is whether the government can see our "dick pics," he encourages Snowden to go through a list of every government surveillance program and explain its capabilities in terms of access to "dick pics."

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Post by galangalalgol »

maeil wrote: post #107
botanical76 wrote: post #91

This is so disheartening. I thought we were making progress in the anti-surveillance privacy narrative, but this says otherwise. As a UK citizen, is there anything I can do to dissuade this? edit: typo

> As a UK citizen, is there anything I can do to dissuade this? If you voted for this Tory-lite government, then you can stop voting for any future Tory-lite governments. If you did not, there's not much you can do in practice without devoting your life to it.

Coupd protest on weekends and holidays as a hobby, bring a Bluetooth speaker and blast the kinks.

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Post by InTheArena »

maeil wrote: post #107
botanical76 wrote: post #91

This is so disheartening. I thought we were making progress in the anti-surveillance privacy narrative, but this says otherwise. As a UK citizen, is there anything I can do to dissuade this? edit: typo

> As a UK citizen, is there anything I can do to dissuade this? If you voted for this Tory-lite government, then you can stop voting for any future Tory-lite governments. If you did not, there's not much you can do in practice without devoting your life to it.

Yeah know, at some point a historical review would suggest that the constant stream of labour led initiatives to end privacy might indicate that the problem is not just the tories.
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