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Estonia to disconnect from the Russian-run electricity network on Saturday

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Re: Estonia to disconnect from the Russian-run electricity network on Saturday

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Post by bluGill »

cpursley wrote: post #15
kriz9 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most of us are happy to suffer if it means not relying on Russia. This is the price of independence.

Doesn't it mean you're now dependent on the US (and our particular politics) as well as the middle eastern oil monarchies? Or is the idea to try to source all of the EU energy needs independently?

Middle eastern monarchies are currently better than Russian "democracy". If you had asked me 30 years ago I would have said differently. If you ask again in 30 years I have no idea what I will say. The US likewise has good and bad points and exactly how they come to play changes over time. There is a lot to dislike about the EU as well which anyone living there should be concerned about more than the US (though since I live in the US I worry more about the US - I have a chance to change it maybe)

Re: Estonia to disconnect from the Russian-run electricity network on Saturday

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Post by ImHereToVote »

throwaway191215 wrote: post #12

I feel that the EU is behind the curve. Trump just disbanded the task force that targets Russian oligarchs: https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-administration-disban... Furthermore, there is a clear danger that Trump will make peace in Ukraine (without consulting either the EU or Ukraine) and have the EU pay for the reconstruction. And he'll possible resume friendship with Russia after the EU-Russia relationships…

I think Europeans are unprepared for the dangers of peace breaking out in Eastern Europe and what that entails.

Re: Estonia to disconnect from the Russian-run electricity network on Saturday

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Post by corund »

kriz9 wrote: post #10
cingraa wrote: post #7

Cost of electricity in Russia: $0.05 Cost of electricity in Estonia: $0.26 Painful.

Most of us are happy to suffer if it means not relying on Russia. This is the price of independence.

you are located in Berlin and happy that estonians will pay x5 for electricity?

Re: Estonia to disconnect from the Russian-run electricity network on Saturday

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Post by cpursley »

arlort wrote: post #48
cpursley wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doesn't it mean you're now dependent on the US (and our particular politics) as well as the middle eastern oil monarchies? Or is the idea to try to source all of the EU energy needs independently?

I think you and other in this thread are mixing up a few topics. The grids are being disconnected from russia but that doesn't mean that estonia was dependent on Russia for electricity before that Looking at this https://oec.world/en/visualize/tree_map/hs92/import/est/all/... it seems like even before the 2022 war Estonian imports from russia of electricity were close to zero The concern with having the grids connect…

I quite enjoyed the “in our neighborhood” bit ;)

Re: Estonia to disconnect from the Russian-run electricity network on Saturday

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Post by fmajid »

sixothree wrote: post #11
snapcaster wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow that's brutal, what's the context for this change? Was Estonia "bullied" into this, is it a popular change? 5xing electricity prices causes so much human suffering hope estonians have good ways of coping

I wouldn't mind some context here. Is 0.05 the price _only_ inside of Russia. Regardless, 0.05 seems extremely cheap to me. I can't think of any places in the states that pay that little. And 0.26 seems pretty darn expensive. I can only think of a few places I have been that charge that much.

I had to go to Hyderabad, India for a family emergency. Electricity here is on a progressive scale from 1 rupee/kWh up to 9 rupees. 1 rupee is about 1.25 cents. It’s got to be subsidized, just like how water is free.

Re: Estonia to disconnect from the Russian-run electricity network on Saturday

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Post by bryanlarsen »

sixothree wrote: post #11
snapcaster wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow that's brutal, what's the context for this change? Was Estonia "bullied" into this, is it a popular change? 5xing electricity prices causes so much human suffering hope estonians have good ways of coping

I wouldn't mind some context here. Is 0.05 the price _only_ inside of Russia. Regardless, 0.05 seems extremely cheap to me. I can't think of any places in the states that pay that little. And 0.26 seems pretty darn expensive. I can only think of a few places I have been that charge that much.

The price of electricity in Quebec is CAD0.078 per kWh, which is 5.5 cents US.

Re: Estonia to disconnect from the Russian-run electricity network on Saturday

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Post by cingraa »

FTDi wrote: post #20
cingraa wrote: post #7

Cost of electricity in Russia: $0.05 Cost of electricity in Estonia: $0.26 Painful.

It is a bit misleading, at least for Lithuania, but I believe for Estonia and Latvia too. First of all Baltic states does not import electricity from Russia/Belarus anyway, for the last 4 years, regardless we are still synchronized with them. So synchronizing would not affect energy price (to be precise it will affect, but it is fraction of euro cent so it is very minor). Other thing is that electricity is in open ma…

The Baltic countries do not trade electricity with Russia, hence the big cost gap.

Re: Estonia to disconnect from the Russian-run electricity network on Saturday

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Post by wewxjfq »

toss1 wrote: post #41
flanked-evergl wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Europeans voted for electricity that expensive, so not sure what the concern is. The government in Germany which shut down local production and decided to outsource it all did not come out of thin air.

Indeed, it came out of the Merkel government, which was notoriously Russia-appeasing, and while popular at the time, it's reputation is rapidly rotting under the gaze of recent history where Russia assaults Ukraine attempting to eliminate the very concept of Ukraine as an entity and independent people, and threatens all of Europe.

Serious question: What brings people to write these comments? It's so tiresome. Always the same twaddle. Merkel was not notoriously Russia-appeasing, she was notoriously German industry appeasing. She didn't stop a business consortium of several large European energy companies from building a new pipeline to Russia, but neither did any leader of the other European countries involved, nor would have any other German chancellor at the time.

Re: Estonia to disconnect from the Russian-run electricity network on Saturday

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Post by cingraa »

kriz9 wrote: post #10
cingraa wrote: post #7

Cost of electricity in Russia: $0.05 Cost of electricity in Estonia: $0.26 Painful.

Most of us are happy to suffer if it means not relying on Russia. This is the price of independence.

The poor people will be suffering even more. No trade in electricity, but also no trade with natural gas.

Re: Estonia to disconnect from the Russian-run electricity network on Saturday

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Post by fmajid »

tterras wrote: post #23
throwaway191215 wrote: post #12

I feel that the EU is behind the curve. Trump just disbanded the task force that targets Russian oligarchs: https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-administration-disban... Furthermore, there is a clear danger that Trump will make peace in Ukraine (without consulting either the EU or Ukraine) and have the EU pay for the reconstruction. And he'll possible resume friendship with Russia after the EU-Russia relationships…

Nothing to do with the article. This desync plan was set 20 years ago. Baltic states have never been in good relations with our occupiers.

Oddly the Hungarians, Bulgarians and Slovaks seem to. Stockholm Syndrome?
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