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Estonia to disconnect from the Russian-run electricity network on Saturday

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Re: Estonia to disconnect from the Russian-run electricity network on Saturday

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Post by fifilura »

cpursley wrote: post #15
kriz9 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most of us are happy to suffer if it means not relying on Russia. This is the price of independence.

Doesn't it mean you're now dependent on the US (and our particular politics) as well as the middle eastern oil monarchies? Or is the idea to try to source all of the EU energy needs independently?

There are also two cables connecting Sweden to Lithuania and Finland to Estonia.

https://www.svk.se/om-kraftsystemet/kontrollrummet/

As can be seen in the link, both Sweden and Finland currently exports power to Baltics.

Both Sweden and recently Finland are European power-houses when it comes to electricity.

Sweden always was (despite what everyone complains about here in Sweden). With a healthy mix of hydro, nuclear and recently wind power. And Finland just recently finished a large new nuclear reactor.

Also, in many places of the world (e.g. Scandinavia), electricity does not equal Oil.

Re: Estonia to disconnect from the Russian-run electricity network on Saturday

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

throwaway191215 wrote: post #12

I feel that the EU is behind the curve. Trump just disbanded the task force that targets Russian oligarchs: https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-administration-disban... Furthermore, there is a clear danger that Trump will make peace in Ukraine (without consulting either the EU or Ukraine) and have the EU pay for the reconstruction. And he'll possible resume friendship with Russia after the EU-Russia relationships…

> Furthermore, there is a clear danger that Trump will make peace in Ukraine (without consulting either the EU or Ukraine) and have the EU pay for the reconstruction.

Yeah... Trump isn't dictator of the world. The only way he can make peace in Ukraine without consulting Ukraine is to persuade Russia to withdraw. (Which, if he did, that would be great... but I'm not holding my breath.) Other than that, the most he can do is stop supplying Ukraine with US weapons and intel, and let Ukraine decide what to do in the new situation.

And, having the EU pay for reconstruction? The EU is not under Trump's orders. They may chose to help pay for Ukrainian reconstruction, if they choose to do so, but it won't be because Trump "had" them do so.

Re: Estonia to disconnect from the Russian-run electricity network on Saturday

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Post by snapcaster »

tterras wrote: post #18
snapcaster wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow that's brutal, what's the context for this change? Was Estonia "bullied" into this, is it a popular change? 5xing electricity prices causes so much human suffering hope estonians have good ways of coping

Estonian here. All baltic states started discussing it about 20 years ago. It was clear that this had to be done, as after re-independnce there has never been times where russia isn't a direct threat. In 2022 when war in Ukraine started, Baltic states also prepared for possibility that Russia will simply disconnect. Without all infrastructure done yet, it wouldwe been chaos for us for several weeks. Happy that we can…

That makes a lot of sense, i would also feel very insecure knowing i was in that situation with Russia

Re: Estonia to disconnect from the Russian-run electricity network on Saturday

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Post by jcranmer »

flanked-evergl wrote: post #17
throwaway191215 wrote: post #12

I feel that the EU is behind the curve. Trump just disbanded the task force that targets Russian oligarchs: https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-administration-disban... Furthermore, there is a clear danger that Trump will make peace in Ukraine (without consulting either the EU or Ukraine) and have the EU pay for the reconstruction. And he'll possible resume friendship with Russia after the EU-Russia relationships…

Trump term 1 was significantly harder on Russia than Biden before the invasion of Ukraine. To suggest that he is pro-Russia is absurd, has always been, will always be. That being said, the war has to end. Pretending like it could go on indefinitely, as Biden and Europe did, is infantile.

> Trump term 1 was significantly harder on Russia than Biden before the invasion of Ukraine. To suggest that he is pro-Russia is absurd, has always been, will always be.

How? Trump rather infamously stood up at a press conference and said, in effect, he trusted Putin more than his own intelligence agencies. The only real anti-Russia thing done during his administration that I can recall is the Magnitsky Act, but the clear impetus for that came from Congress and Trump only very reluctantly signed it.

Re: Estonia to disconnect from the Russian-run electricity network on Saturday

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Post by croisillon »

urcite_ty_kokos wrote: post #29
ivan_gammel wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Out of curiosity, why are you using the old name of Kaliningrad? I thought it was different only in Polish language.

It's Královec in Czech.

as we know: https://visitkralovec.cz/

Re: Estonia to disconnect from the Russian-run electricity network on Saturday

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Post by belter »

redwood wrote: post #6

Exciting. For folks in the states who are so insulated from fundamental dangers, at least non-home-grown dangers, it's wonderful to see folks with the conviction and drive to do what they must do for their own destiny

Not if you live in Texas...

Re: Estonia to disconnect from the Russian-run electricity network on Saturday

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Post by ivan_gammel »

urcite_ty_kokos wrote: post #29
ivan_gammel wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Out of curiosity, why are you using the old name of Kaliningrad? I thought it was different only in Polish language.

It's Královec in Czech.

Good to know, thanks. It’s reasonable to expect language-specific names, just strange to see it in English (even in German that is a bit weird).

Re: Estonia to disconnect from the Russian-run electricity network on Saturday

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Post by napoleongl »

sixothree wrote: post #11
snapcaster wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow that's brutal, what's the context for this change? Was Estonia "bullied" into this, is it a popular change? 5xing electricity prices causes so much human suffering hope estonians have good ways of coping

I wouldn't mind some context here. Is 0.05 the price _only_ inside of Russia. Regardless, 0.05 seems extremely cheap to me. I can't think of any places in the states that pay that little. And 0.26 seems pretty darn expensive. I can only think of a few places I have been that charge that much.

If it hadn’t been for Germany being one big area in terms of electricity pricing, all swedens four electricity areas would have been far below that. Now our two southernmost areas are infected by what I understand is southern German prices.

https://www.svk.se/om-kraftsystemet/kontrollrummet/

Re: Estonia to disconnect from the Russian-run electricity network on Saturday

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Post by Symbiote »

cpursley wrote: post #15
kriz9 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most of us are happy to suffer if it means not relying on Russia. This is the price of independence.

Doesn't it mean you're now dependent on the US (and our particular politics) as well as the middle eastern oil monarchies? Or is the idea to try to source all of the EU energy needs independently?

Estonia seems to have only 5% or so of electricity from gas, and zero from oil.

Latvia has more gas use, maybe 15% over the year.

Lithuania around 10% gas.

90% independent isn't too bad.

(Data eyeballed from the annual charts on app.electricitymaps.com)

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