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Estonia to disconnect from the Russian-run electricity network on Saturday

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Re: Estonia to disconnect from the Russian-run electricity network on Saturday

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Post by sixothree »

snapcaster wrote: post #8
cingraa wrote: post #7

Cost of electricity in Russia: $0.05 Cost of electricity in Estonia: $0.26 Painful.

Wow that's brutal, what's the context for this change? Was Estonia "bullied" into this, is it a popular change? 5xing electricity prices causes so much human suffering hope estonians have good ways of coping

I wouldn't mind some context here. Is 0.05 the price _only_ inside of Russia.

Regardless, 0.05 seems extremely cheap to me. I can't think of any places in the states that pay that little.

And 0.26 seems pretty darn expensive. I can only think of a few places I have been that charge that much.

Re: Estonia to disconnect from the Russian-run electricity network on Saturday

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Post by throwaway191215 »

I feel that the EU is behind the curve. Trump just disbanded the task force that targets Russian oligarchs:

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-administration-disban...

Furthermore, there is a clear danger that Trump will make peace in Ukraine (without consulting either the EU or Ukraine) and have the EU pay for the reconstruction. And he'll possible resume friendship with Russia after the EU-Russia relationships have been ruined.

The EU should stop playing the games of the US, which change every four years. It should develop its own foreign policy and stop being taken advantage of. Rule #1: Never get involved in a war that is promoted by the US. All "friends" of the US have been screwed over in various proxy wars. Kissinger even said "to be a friend of the US is fatal".

Re: Estonia to disconnect from the Russian-run electricity network on Saturday

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Post by snapcaster »

sixothree wrote: post #11
snapcaster wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow that's brutal, what's the context for this change? Was Estonia "bullied" into this, is it a popular change? 5xing electricity prices causes so much human suffering hope estonians have good ways of coping

I wouldn't mind some context here. Is 0.05 the price _only_ inside of Russia. Regardless, 0.05 seems extremely cheap to me. I can't think of any places in the states that pay that little. And 0.26 seems pretty darn expensive. I can only think of a few places I have been that charge that much.

Ah gotcha, so they're not actually paying 0.05 now and they probably won't pay 0.26 in the future?

Re: Estonia to disconnect from the Russian-run electricity network on Saturday

#14

Post by flanked-evergl »

cingraa wrote: post #7

Cost of electricity in Russia: $0.05 Cost of electricity in Estonia: $0.26 Painful.

Europeans voted for electricity that expensive, so not sure what the concern is. The government in Germany which shut down local production and decided to outsource it all did not come out of thin air.

Re: Estonia to disconnect from the Russian-run electricity network on Saturday

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Post by cpursley »

kriz9 wrote: post #10
cingraa wrote: post #7

Cost of electricity in Russia: $0.05 Cost of electricity in Estonia: $0.26 Painful.

Most of us are happy to suffer if it means not relying on Russia. This is the price of independence.

Doesn't it mean you're now dependent on the US (and our particular politics) as well as the middle eastern oil monarchies? Or is the idea to try to source all of the EU energy needs independently?

Re: Estonia to disconnect from the Russian-run electricity network on Saturday

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Post by WinstonSmith84 »

snapcaster wrote: post #8
cingraa wrote: post #7

Cost of electricity in Russia: $0.05 Cost of electricity in Estonia: $0.26 Painful.

Wow that's brutal, what's the context for this change? Was Estonia "bullied" into this, is it a popular change? 5xing electricity prices causes so much human suffering hope estonians have good ways of coping

it's not "now", it's 2024 price. "Grid synchronization" doesn't mean, subsidized by Russia, it just meant that Russia provides energy if Estonia didn't produce enough energy, and the other way around (though it likely never happened). It's clear though that Russia was not selling at inland price.

Re: Estonia to disconnect from the Russian-run electricity network on Saturday

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Post by flanked-evergl »

throwaway191215 wrote: post #12

I feel that the EU is behind the curve. Trump just disbanded the task force that targets Russian oligarchs: https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-administration-disban... Furthermore, there is a clear danger that Trump will make peace in Ukraine (without consulting either the EU or Ukraine) and have the EU pay for the reconstruction. And he'll possible resume friendship with Russia after the EU-Russia relationships…

Trump term 1 was significantly harder on Russia than Biden before the invasion of Ukraine. To suggest that he is pro-Russia is absurd, has always been, will always be.

That being said, the war has to end. Pretending like it could go on indefinitely, as Biden and Europe did, is infantile.

Re: Estonia to disconnect from the Russian-run electricity network on Saturday

#18

Post by tterras »

snapcaster wrote: post #8
cingraa wrote: post #7

Cost of electricity in Russia: $0.05 Cost of electricity in Estonia: $0.26 Painful.

Wow that's brutal, what's the context for this change? Was Estonia "bullied" into this, is it a popular change? 5xing electricity prices causes so much human suffering hope estonians have good ways of coping

Estonian here. All baltic states started discussing it about 20 years ago. It was clear that this had to be done, as after re-independnce there has never been times where russia isn't a direct threat. In 2022 when war in Ukraine started, Baltic states also prepared for possibility that Russia will simply disconnect. Without all infrastructure done yet, it wouldwe been chaos for us for several weeks. Happy that we can finally do this move for our national security.

Re: Estonia to disconnect from the Russian-run electricity network on Saturday

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Post by FTDi »

cingraa wrote: post #7

Cost of electricity in Russia: $0.05 Cost of electricity in Estonia: $0.26 Painful.

It is a bit misleading, at least for Lithuania, but I believe for Estonia and Latvia too. First of all Baltic states does not import electricity from Russia/Belarus anyway, for the last 4 years, regardless we are still synchronized with them. So synchronizing would not affect energy price (to be precise it will affect, but it is fraction of euro cent so it is very minor).

Other thing is that electricity is in open market, so you can get individual fixed price per individual provider, or you can go for market price changing by hour, if there is technical capacity (smart meter installed).

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