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U.K. orders Apple to let it spy on users’ encrypted accounts
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#152Given recent polling, we have to assume that what is MI5's today will be Reform's tomorrow. We have to ask what our government and judiciary are doing putting our privacy in the hands of the far-right.
I never understood this kinds of arguments... both sides want to read your private data, but it's bad if 'the other side' does it? It's your current MI5/government that wants access to apples data.
Generally speaking it is worse if a party who is ideologically inclined to do something bad to you reads it, yes.
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#153Earlier quoted context omitted.
I never understood this kinds of arguments... both sides want to read your private data, but it's bad if 'the other side' does it? It's your current MI5/government that wants access to apples data.
One side wants to purge large parts of the population and the other one doesn't. Yes, all parties can abuse data, but their policies do actually matter.
I think if you value privacy this isn't the right place to be making distinctions between parties. This only serves to alienate people and isn't the core argument.
I think it's more likely to get broad support when framed as us vs. them where "us" is normal working people regardless of political affiliation and "them" is our government elites trying to spy on us.
Re: U.K. orders Apple to let it spy on users’ encrypted accounts
#154Given recent polling, we have to assume that what is MI5's today will be Reform's tomorrow. We have to ask what our government and judiciary are doing putting our privacy in the hands of the far-right.
I never understood this kinds of arguments... both sides want to read your private data, but it's bad if 'the other side' does it? It's your current MI5/government that wants access to apples data.
One is bad in principle and the other is also bad in practice. Both are very bad but the latter is more likely to move people to action.
Re: U.K. orders Apple to let it spy on users’ encrypted accounts
#155UK tech laws seem to consistently be the worst of both worlds. Not rights centric like the EU and not business supportive like the US. Just old people making bad laws about stuff they don't understand - or are straight up citizen hostile, sometimes hard to tell which it is.
> Not rights centric like the EU
Sadly, the EU is trying very hard and very persistently to pass the Chat Control bill. So far the EU hasn't succeeded, but I would be surprised if EU politicians didn't keep trying until it is finally codified into law.
Re: U.K. orders Apple to let it spy on users’ encrypted accounts
#156Archive link: https://archive.is/3Pp0U I was wondering whether this is about Advanced Data Protection, which encrypts almost all data end-to-end on iCloud. It’s only later in this report that it gets into this key detail: > At issue is cloud storage that only the user, not Apple, can unlock. Apple started rolling out the option, which it calls Advanced Data Protection, in 2022. Before stating this, the article says:…
Roll out the change in the city of London first and watch the finance sector crash :D
The rest of the UK probably won't have to follow suit.
Re: U.K. orders Apple to let it spy on users’ encrypted accounts
#157> requires that Apple creates a back door that allows UK security officials unencumbered access to encrypted user data worldwide How could this even be enforced if Apple pulls out cloud services of the UK ? It's such a ridiculous request, the British Intelligence agencies must be bored coming up with new ways to make Apple look good.
That's not even the main issue in my opinion: how can Apple do this without breaking laws in other countries ?
I am not a lawyer, but I think that this would be illegal under EU privacy law.
Re: U.K. orders Apple to let it spy on users’ encrypted accounts
#158Earlier quoted context omitted.
> prevent the UK authorities from interfering with their activities I'm still missing how this could be enforced ? To my layman understanding, this reads the same as if China said : "Meta, Tesla, Valve etc has entities in China therefore we get to see all data they store in the EU and the US. The UK has Zero jurisdiction in Ireland for example where a lot of EU data may be stored.
It would be enforced by fining the UK legal entities (or worse, like charging their legal representatives) if they don't comply. If the UK is serious about this, the only alternative for Apple would eventually be to completely cease operations in the UK. By the way, this is similar to why for true GDPR compliance, data centers should be operated by EU companies that aren't subsidiaries of US companies, because even i…
> By the way, this is similar to why for true GDPR compliance, data centers should be operated by EU companies that aren't subsidiaries of US companies, because even if the latter operate data centers located in the EU, they would still be bound to secret orders by the US government.
This is interesting, I know GDPR does not mandate data localization but I was under the impression that the requirements are a bit more difficult/stringent for transferring data out of the EU region ? While not perfect, it's a bit less 'open door' than it would be if it was hosted in the US.
Re: U.K. orders Apple to let it spy on users’ encrypted accounts
#159UK tech laws seem to consistently be the worst of both worlds. Not rights centric like the EU and not business supportive like the US. Just old people making bad laws about stuff they don't understand - or are straight up citizen hostile, sometimes hard to tell which it is.
Ignorant rather than old. Alan Turing was born more than 100 years ago.
Re: U.K. orders Apple to let it spy on users’ encrypted accounts
#160I was hoping this dreamland thinking on encryption had died with our last sorry excuse for a government.
I thought we had grown ups running the show now. Clearly that was optimistic.