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Tesla sales plummet in the UK, France, and Germany

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Re: Tesla sales plummet in the UK, France, and Germany

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Post by lawn »

lordfrito wrote: post #185
lawn wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like it or not, if you buy a Tesla today you are signaling that you're okay with being associated with Nazism. Regardless if you care or not, if you buy a Tesla you're also giving Elon more power, again aiding a Nazi. You may think that's unfair but that's just how it is. But it seems you just don't care if people are Nazis or not. Maybe the lack of empathy is why you think it's absolutely crazy to nor just consider…

> if you buy a Tesla today you are signaling that you're okay with being associated with Nazism. Sounds like social capital to me, which is the point I was making. My purchases don't relate to social signaling on my part, not sure how we got here. I mean, people don't have a problem with the iPhones being built by essentially slave labor. Technically if you buy an iPhone, I guess by your logic you're okay being assoc…

> My purchases don't relate to social signaling on my part, not sure how we got here.

You're signaling regardless.

> Technically if you buy an iPhone, I guess by your logic you're okay being associated with slavery.

Yes, to an extent that's correct.

We must remember though that things are never black and white and nobody is perfect.

Re: Tesla sales plummet in the UK, France, and Germany

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Post by lenerdenator »

purplethinking wrote: post #187
lenerdenator wrote: post #38

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Besides this? [0] [0] https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/nov/16/elon-musk...

I mean, you label ADL as a Nazi party. Then you label Musk as Nazi by association. But if you actually look at ADL they are not Nazis. Here's an interesting things I saw just today: https://x.com/derJamesJackson/status/1887425955494268997 So gays are supporting a Nazi party?

I'm well aware that the Anti-Defamation League is not the Nazi party and does not hold far-right tendencies. I'm not getting your point.

Re: Tesla sales plummet in the UK, France, and Germany

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

youngtaff wrote: post #131
leesec wrote: post #117

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There's no real reason to think the "MAGA market" won't make up for the lost sales of the leftist market, or that it's particularly big swing either way ( most people don't care about politics and just want the best product )

Can you go rollin’ coal in a Tesla?

I know a guy. Pretty sure he could build you an aftermarket add-on where, yes, you could. It would be hilarious. (Also obnoxious, but still hilarious.)

Re: Tesla sales plummet in the UK, France, and Germany

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Post by sigmoid10 »

ahartmetz wrote: post #188
bhaak wrote: post #177

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Looking at all those tech people going nuts I really wonder if it might be finasteride or minoxidil having side effects we don't know yet. Sure, people got the brain eating bug in the past, too, but it seems nowadays it is much more common.

For Musk, it's reportedly pretty well-known drugs: Ketamine, LSD, magic mushrooms. Spiegel (~German equivalent of Time magazine) article about it https://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/unternehmen/elon-musk-soll...

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Re: Tesla sales plummet in the UK, France, and Germany

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Post by CamperBob2 »

lordfrito wrote: post #185
lawn wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like it or not, if you buy a Tesla today you are signaling that you're okay with being associated with Nazism. Regardless if you care or not, if you buy a Tesla you're also giving Elon more power, again aiding a Nazi. You may think that's unfair but that's just how it is. But it seems you just don't care if people are Nazis or not. Maybe the lack of empathy is why you think it's absolutely crazy to nor just consider…

> if you buy a Tesla today you are signaling that you're okay with being associated with Nazism. Sounds like social capital to me, which is the point I was making. My purchases don't relate to social signaling on my part, not sure how we got here. I mean, people don't have a problem with the iPhones being built by essentially slave labor. Technically if you buy an iPhone, I guess by your logic you're okay being assoc…

I mean, people don't have a problem with the iPhones being built by essentially slave labor.

If you can walk out the door under your own power, then you're not a slave. Check your privilege (and while you're at it, your history.)

If you gleefully throw Nazi salutes while addressing a friendly far-right audience, then you're a Nazi, mentally ill, or both. Either way, I'm not buying a car from you.

Re: Tesla sales plummet in the UK, France, and Germany

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Post by Snild »

poniko wrote: post #19
lnsru wrote: post #10

It was an open secret for a while, that new model Y is coming. So why buy an old one when few months in the future you can get current model and not the outdated one. Everyone is just waiting to buy new model Y. I took the risk, got old one year ago and now I am very happy, that the new one is rather facelift with couple percent better range and not a revolutionary upgrade. This would be pity. I am just wondering abo…

Yea that's not the main reason, Musk is toxic for the brand. A recent poll in Sweden saw 68% has a negative view of Musk today, up 20% in the past weeks alone.

And it's likely to get more negative as Musk retweets disinformation about the national tragedy this week: https://www.expressen.se/nyheter/sverige/elon-musk-sprider-l...

Re: Tesla sales plummet in the UK, France, and Germany

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Post by ElijahLynn »

dagmx wrote: post #70
KindAndFriendly wrote: post #20

I live in San Mateo County, CA and in my street 3 neighbors have sold their Teslas within the last 8 weeks and switched to other brands.

I’ll be selling our Tesla as soon as other brands have NACS. Specifically Rivian is what I’m looking for and have a preorder on an R2

Yup, We are waiting for the rivian to have NACS as well. I was considering the idea of buying a used Tesla and just ripping the emblems off and putting a wrap on it. I don't like car models and brands on cars anyways.

But yeah, probably will definitely get a rivian, especially the new R3!

I still don't know if the heat pump will be as good as Tesla's but it doesn't matter. I don't respect Elon anymore. I still do definitely admire some of his technical talents and ability to ship products. I don't think just cuz a person does a bad thing means they're a bad person.

Re: Tesla sales plummet in the UK, France, and Germany

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Post by toomuchtodo »

gnfargbl wrote: post #169
toomuchtodo wrote: post #149

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https://www.pewresearch.org/?attachment_id=179415 (draw your attention to the center of the graphic, Republican vs Democrat, as it relates to who would consider purchasing an EV) About 3 in 10 Americans would seriously consider buying an electric vehicle - https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/06/27/about-3-i... - June 27, 2024

The graphic shows that 85% of the addressable market favour party A and 15% party B. My point is that once you strongly align your brand with either party, you alienate a decent chunk of your customers. If you have to choose, then in this situation choosing A is much better than B, but why alienate any of your customers like this?

Because Musk cannot help himself emotionally. He cannot quell the desire for more; more power, more control, more status seeking.

https://insideevs.com/news/749741/tesla-ev-buyers-favorabili...

Re: Tesla sales plummet in the UK, France, and Germany

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Post by hulitu »

xnx wrote: post #68

Teslas are good cars, but I can understand not wanting to drive around in anything associated with the current CEO. I think about data privacy too. Every automaker sells identifiable location data. I'd normally think of Tesla as being contrarian and possibly better on privacy, but they have a history of passing around photos/videos/audio from inside the cars(!). I really wish that Apple hadn't killed their car effort…

> Teslas are good cars, but I can understand not wanting to drive around in anything associated with the current CEO.

It has, unfortunately, nothing to do with it. The prices have risen and people do not have money to spend on cars.

Re: Tesla sales plummet in the UK, France, and Germany

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Post by xnx »

hulitu wrote: post #199
xnx wrote: post #68

Teslas are good cars, but I can understand not wanting to drive around in anything associated with the current CEO. I think about data privacy too. Every automaker sells identifiable location data. I'd normally think of Tesla as being contrarian and possibly better on privacy, but they have a history of passing around photos/videos/audio from inside the cars(!). I really wish that Apple hadn't killed their car effort…

> Teslas are good cars, but I can understand not wanting to drive around in anything associated with the current CEO. It has, unfortunately, nothing to do with it. The prices have risen and people do not have money to spend on cars.

> people do not have money to spend on car

Definitely depends on what segment you're looking at, but US car sales seem to be right back at pre-pandemic levels: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/TOTALSA

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