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Tesla sales plummet in the UK, France, and Germany

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Re: Tesla sales plummet in the UK, France, and Germany

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Post by The_Colonel »

hilux wrote: post #156
throwaway5752 wrote: post #22

I wouldn't buy a Tesla today if it alchemically transmuted atmospheric carbon dioxide into an ounce of gold that pooped out of the front console every 1000 miles. Most of Tesla's target market does not tolerate Nazism, which Elon Musk is clearly and obviously signaling. That doesn't even touch on his enthusiastic role in an administration threatening EU members states, some of our historically closest allies in the p…

If hippies no longer buy Tesla, then maybe all of the MAGA will, or maybe Trump will require the USPS or the federal government or any company wanting to do business with the federal government to buy Tesla. Anything you can imagine is possible.

I think that even (most) conservatives don't want their car to be a political statement.

Re: Tesla sales plummet in the UK, France, and Germany

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Post by brohee »

rasz wrote: post #106
yalogin wrote: post #46

I see this drop across Europe and Canada but the US is still alright. For some reason though, any negative news about Tesla doesn't reflect in the stock price. Wonder if the US market is propping it up, xAI nebulous or may be just musk's incessant tweeting.

No company with US President on its asset list is going to tank on stock market.

A morbidly obese 78 year old with signs of early onset dementia. What are the GAAP depreciation rules on such an asset?

Re: Tesla sales plummet in the UK, France, and Germany

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Post by tzs »

rcMgD2BwE72F wrote: post #35
WJW wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If that were the actual reason then why did the sales drop so much in the last month? Surely the new model Y has been coming for a while now, it is difficult to imagine that it would cause a >40% drop across the board from month to month. Rather it seems very likely that Musk is extremely toxic to the brand at the moment. He is very closely aligned to a president who is actively threatening a trade war against the EU…

>If that were the actual reason then why did the sales drop so much in the last month? Because why buy a Model Y in December at full price, when you can order the new version for the same price? The Juniper is the last update of a 5 year old model. The reviews says it was well worth the wait.

> Because why buy a Model Y in December at full price, when you can order the new version for the same price?

You want to buy before Trump gets rid of the $7500 EV tax credit?

Re: Tesla sales plummet in the UK, France, and Germany

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Post by tim333 »

PromKwing wrote: post #138
tim333 wrote: post #128

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I know Must talks about being bullied at school. I'm sure that contributes.

Contributes to what? Tesla's failing sales?

To the odd behavior such as in "Musk, Sacks', and Thiel's anger and political weirdness."

Re: Tesla sales plummet in the UK, France, and Germany

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Post by stevage »

leesec wrote: post #117
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #21

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> Model Y was best selling car in the world for 2 years running Teslas were cool for two years running. Look, the MAGA market is a big one. But it’s silly to think something as personal as a car won’t be affected by Musk’s politics. (We aren’t even in the phase where Tesla gets hit with targeted counter-tariffs.)

There's no real reason to think the "MAGA market" won't make up for the lost sales of the leftist market, or that it's particularly big swing either way ( most people don't care about politics and just want the best product )

>There's no real reason to think the "MAGA market" won't make up for the lost sales of the leftist market

Well, yes there is - right-wing people are happy burning fossil fuels.

Re: Tesla sales plummet in the UK, France, and Germany

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Post by stevage »

_t9ow wrote: post #119
ubermonkey wrote: post #43

My neighbor -- a very earnest, smart, progressive 27 year old working in alternative energy -- bought one just before the election. His deposit went in sometime in the spring. He was super excited about it at first, but the spring in his step is much reduced now. I feel bad for him. I mean, true life, I think most people have pretty good experiences with Teslas. The brand was pretty resilient vs. Elon's shenanigans u…

> the spring in his step is much reduced now Musk hasn't suddenly changed in the past few months. His deranged/racist behaviour has been going on for years. What has prompted your neighbour to regret his purchase?

>Musk hasn't suddenly changed in the past few months.

Respectfully, that is a minority view.

Re: Tesla sales plummet in the UK, France, and Germany

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Post by bhaak »

tim333 wrote: post #124

Vaguely related, Paul Graham tweeted "I worry Elon has no idea how much he has damaged his personal brand ...", re UK stuff and Elon posted a pages of text rant as a result. Not sure if it was written by him or Grok. I worry Elon's going a bit bonkers with drugs or whatever. Conversation here: https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1879785727468163505

Looking at all those tech people going nuts I really wonder if it might be finasteride or minoxidil having side effects we don't know yet.

Sure, people got the brain eating bug in the past, too, but it seems nowadays it is much more common.

Re: Tesla sales plummet in the UK, France, and Germany

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Post by tmottabr »

palmotea wrote: post #167
bdangubic wrote: post #158

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contributes to the fact that richest man in the world is 100% the most miserable man in the world

> contributes to the fact that richest man in the world is 100% the most miserable man in the world You know, he should be able to afford a lot of therapy by very skilled and talented therapists.

That would require him to admit he has a problem that need to be worked on, i doubt he will ever do that..

He likely do the exact opposite, pay people to tell him everyone else but him is the problem..

Re: Tesla sales plummet in the UK, France, and Germany

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Post by _t9ow »

stevage wrote: post #176
_t9ow wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the spring in his step is much reduced now Musk hasn't suddenly changed in the past few months. His deranged/racist behaviour has been going on for years. What has prompted your neighbour to regret his purchase?

>Musk hasn't suddenly changed in the past few months. Respectfully, that is a minority view.

Thank you for respectfully disagreeing. Will you elaborate so that I can hear a different perspective?

Re: Tesla sales plummet in the UK, France, and Germany

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Post by taylodl »

blackeyeblitzar wrote: post #166
taylodl wrote: post #97

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CEOs of other carmakers take great pains for you to not know their political views as they are a private matter and may harm brand image. Musk has done a hard 180 degree turn in this regard. To make matters worse, Musk has become almost universally despised. Combine this with the flop that is the CyberTruck, and Tesla can expect their sales to plunge in the upcoming quarter.

He’s not universally despised. Even among democrats, half admire his talent and success. And in EVs, Teslas are still the best. I know you’re trying to manufacture a case for Tesla’s failure due to your political bias against Musk, but the reality is other car manufacturers are doing worse and have serious large scale problems, without any real strategy. Tesla, despite controversy, seems like it has more going for it…

> I know you’re trying to manufacture a case for Tesla’s failure

The CyberTruck launch has faced significant challenges, to say the least, and Tesla's sales have dropped by 50% in key European markets. In California, the largest US EV market, Tesla sales have also declined significantly. Meanwhile, Hyundai and Kia have seen significant sales increases and market share growth in 2024. These are the facts as they stand.

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