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Microsoft deletes official Windows 11 CPU/TPM bypass for unsupported PCs

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Re: Microsoft deletes official Windows 11 CPU/TPM bypass for unsupported PCs

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Post by WorldMaker »

brutal_chaos_ wrote: post #250
WorldMaker wrote: post #171

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> I dont know that they are right (eg if the #1 exposure for home users is ransomware, does a tpm help at all?), but I am prepared to give them dome grace. One particularly generous view is that the TPM requirements catch PCs up with the TPM requirements of modern phones. (Both iOS and Android have had very strict TPM requirements for a while now.) With a lot of industry interest in moving to hardware security-backed…

Passkeys are also a great way to have vendor lock-in.

Passkeys are a multi-vendor standard. Because Windows is no one's phone vendor today, it's generally a good idea that Windows has strong Passkey support because it can be an intermediate between the two major phone vendors and help even average users avoid vendor lock-in by pushing a majority of users to try keeping keys with at least two vendors (their phone, and their Windows device) in their common accounts.

Re: Microsoft deletes official Windows 11 CPU/TPM bypass for unsupported PCs

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Post by genewitch »

neilv wrote: post #190

Here's a bootable bypass .iso for this (and for the million other bits of anti-user behavior that MS has pulled, and will keep pulling): https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-dvd/

I get the joke, but on the one hand Debian isn't the most user friendly option; on the other systemd is another monolithic potential problem. I suppose Devuan would be the recommendation I'd give instead of Debian; roughly the same, no systemd.

Re: Microsoft deletes official Windows 11 CPU/TPM bypass for unsupported PCs

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Post by genewitch »

Daunk wrote: post #159
jenscow wrote: post #108

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"mother" has no need for a 5 button programmable mouse, nor does she have a need for applications beyond the web browser. No troubleshooting required.

I second this. A lot of technical people struggle with Linux, and I think a lot of that is because they have a way of working and they want to force whatever they use to work like that. While less technical people just use whatever they're given. My father and my grandmother both use Linux, and they don't even know it and there are no issues.

I do IT for free for anyone in my city (its small), and I tend to just give people elitedesks with Linux on them to replace aged Walmart PCs. YouTube and email is what most people do at home, that and Amazon/whatever.

I got to thinking in this thread I can even convert the "gamer" types to Linux - I need to make sure Facebook games work on chromium... And show them Steam.

Re: Microsoft deletes official Windows 11 CPU/TPM bypass for unsupported PCs

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Post by BenjiWiebe »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #211
Avamander wrote: post #143

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Sure and the number of computers that can run Linux outperform them both. Maybe you don't need W11? I also don't think the share of TPM-less computers out there is actually that significant. Most laptops have shipped with one for a long time. Desktops that lack one can often buy one. Which is way cheaper than a new PC should you need W11. (I also suspect there are options way cheaper than $500 as well.) Saying that n…

There is still a lot of quite useful hardware that isn't supported. For example, the first gen Ryzen is apparently not supported, so then you're having to replace e.g. a Threadripper 1950X which has 16 cores and a 4GHz turbo. A new PC with even equivalent performance would be $600+ and a $500 new PC would be a downgrade. There is also plenty of hardware that isn't fast but is being used in a situation where that does…

Hopefully this means I can get cheap 1st gen ryzens for my Linux computers soon.

Re: Microsoft deletes official Windows 11 CPU/TPM bypass for unsupported PCs

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Post by genewitch »

kjellsbells wrote: post #70
wpm wrote: post #52

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That’s if you can even connect to the internet! Have an older device? It maybe didn’t come with WiFi, or came with an older card you replaced with a better one. Better hope the distro and version of that distro you picked has a kernel with drivers already baked in! Otherwise it’s off to some random git following some random “download this source” and oh wait I’m not connected to the Internet.

I know the jungle of PCs has some strange beasts in it, but I still suspect that there is a very strong Pareto curve, even considering the kinds of PCs that the stereotypical retired parents have. If Ubuntu (say) decided that they were going to release a version for Windows refugees,they could probably mop up 75% of the market by focusing on Dell hardware and Logitech peripherals, and get to 80+ with HP and whoever t…

Debian derivatives work fine with 99% of older hardware, say pre-2021. 802.11n is fine for HD youtube, too.

Re: Microsoft deletes official Windows 11 CPU/TPM bypass for unsupported PCs

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Post by BenjiWiebe »

olyjohn wrote: post #227
skeaker wrote: post #203

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"Just reboot it" is 1000x more polished than having to jump into the terminal or reinstall your OS (both of which are 100% inaccessible to the average user). Troubleshooting can be done by googling your issue on Windows whereas Linux has dozens of repos with that all require different troubleshooting steps on much more niche websites that won't come up on the first page of google while the average user doesn't know w…

Please. The standard for fixing Windows has been to backup and reinstall the OS for as long as I have used it. You can spend days trying to fix a problem with the OS, or just reinstall it in a couple of hours, most people go for the quick and easy reinstall. This is standard for phones, tablets too, since you can't actually even attempt to fix them.

Since Windows 10, I've had good luck with repairing installations using dism rather than reinstalling. And if you were planning to set the customer's computer up to be identical to the way it was before, doing an in place repair can save time.

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Post by genewitch »

xmodem wrote: post #69
Alifatisk wrote: post #9

The requirements for Windows 11 has really put computers with older hardware in a difficult spot. They are used to Windows so they want to stay there, I want to suggest Linux Mint but I am not aware of how much of the apps used daily is supported in Linux. Not every user want to fiddle with the terminal.

At no point in history has using a 10-year-old PC been as viable as it is today.

My 8 year old uses an i3-7350k, which I'll admit is probably the best cpu Intel ever put out, but I built it before he was born, I think. It has a 1050ti, an NVMe and a spindle.

I never have to mess with it, it just works for him. Win11.

Re: Microsoft deletes official Windows 11 CPU/TPM bypass for unsupported PCs

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Post by BenjiWiebe »

graemep wrote: post #176
Alifatisk wrote: post #72

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> The popular distros are just as functional out of the box as Windows Give me some names that works out of the box and resembles Windows. I have not tried Linux mint so I don't know how well it works for older people. Ubuntu has been quite good and stable but it has also required fiddling with the terminal. The only one I found to be the best alternative to Windows is ... believe it or not, DeepinOS.

Why is resembles Windows important? Macos does not and is doing fine, so is Chromeos, so is Android. Even Windows can be quite different from older versions of Windows.

Yes there's an awful lot of change from Windows 7 to Windows 10. Especially if you try to do anything at all in the settings.

Re: Microsoft deletes official Windows 11 CPU/TPM bypass for unsupported PCs

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Post by mixmastamyk »

freeone3000 wrote: post #182
mixmastamyk wrote: post #170

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Indeed, the security shenanigans around XP are what convinced me to finally move over. “Better formatting” is not nearly enough to stay in an abusive relationship.

How the documents look is everything . That’s what separates desktop publishing like Word from Notepad. The documents have to look the same and have to print the same. Legal cases depend on it. Academic submissions depend on it (Nature Communications template is not latex, it is word ). This is not something that can be omitted.

That's the conventional short-term wisdom, but you'll find just about any rule is bendable to breakable when market conditions change, folks get scared, or they simply decide to.

There's no document formatting that can't be copied elsewhere. Start with new documents and convert the old ones (to pdf or whatever) at some point.

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