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Tesla sales plummet in the UK, France, and Germany

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Re: Tesla sales plummet in the UK, France, and Germany

#181

Post by lordfrito »

I said it before and I'll say it again. If you bought a Tesla because of Elon Musk (when he was cool), or sold a Tesla because of Elon Musk (because now he's not cool), then you're not really buying a car but social capital.

I simply buy the best car I can afford that has the ride/styling/features/quality I want. In my opinion, those that don't are out of their minds.

Not sure how associating major consumer purchases with people became a status of being cool or not. I don't really care why people like this buy and sell cars. I guess it's like Apple, everyone wanted to ride the Steve Jobs bandwagon back in the day.

This is the stuff that gets people upset?

Re: Tesla sales plummet in the UK, France, and Germany

#182

Post by pzduniak »

lordfrito wrote: post #181

I said it before and I'll say it again. If you bought a Tesla because of Elon Musk (when he was cool), or sold a Tesla because of Elon Musk (because now he's not cool), then you're not really buying a car but social capital. I simply buy the best car I can afford that has the ride/styling/features/quality I want. In my opinion, those that don't are out of their minds. Not sure how associating major consumer purchases…

Boiling this argument into "being cool or not" is disingenuous when we're talking about a person directly threatening your current way of life. Just two cents coming from a citizen of a European country where he's attempting to meddle with the politics. Probably getting a Korean car next, despite them being objectively worse and more expensive for my needs.

Re: Tesla sales plummet in the UK, France, and Germany

#183

Post by lenerdenator »

that_guy_iain wrote: post #136
lenerdenator wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's interesting that you say that, because the former GDR is where AfD is having the most success. Y'know, the part of the country that was run as a puppet of the Soviet Union and was more stridently "anti-fascist" for the majority of the postwar period? [0] As recently as 2023 they were the second-strongest party in Germany according to the polls. [1] Most Germans today only know of the horrors of Nazism from the h…

> It's interesting that you say that, because the former GDR is where AfD is having the most success. Y'know, the part of the country that was run as a puppet of the Soviet Union and was more stridently "anti-fascist" for the majority of the postwar period? [0] It's running strong in the racist part of the country. The area of Germany where they were literally tying up people at the side of the road and the police di…

> You seem to think I'm saying they're immune. I'm saying that a large majority of the country is very anti the far-right. So much so that the CDU had to walk back a vote where they voted with the AfD, this was a vote for a permanent border control. It passed the first vote, the second vote it did not after Germany had massive protests over the fact the CDU broke the unwritten rule that mainstream parties don't cooperate with the far-right parties.

And?

There were people who hated the NSDAP back in the 1920s. Hitler was seen as an egomaniacal leech with no aristocratic roots and a band of street toughs to back him up. No one wanted to cooperate with them in the Weimar Republic.

But the Nazis said the right things to the right people, and developed a voter bloc. After a while, it does not matter if you hate working on legislation with the far-right. They have the votes, and if you want government to "work", you have to cater to their whims.

As there are more and more migrants moving into Germany, and more and more international competition in the manufacturing sector worldwide, you can generally count on more and more people getting interested in at least part of AfD's message.

The fact that Björn Höcke was kept in AfD after decrying the presence of Holocaust memorials on German soil, and was given a token punishment for using far-right propaganda in campaigning, reminds me a lot of Trump's trajectory.

Re: Tesla sales plummet in the UK, France, and Germany

#184

Post by lawn »

lordfrito wrote: post #181

I said it before and I'll say it again. If you bought a Tesla because of Elon Musk (when he was cool), or sold a Tesla because of Elon Musk (because now he's not cool), then you're not really buying a car but social capital. I simply buy the best car I can afford that has the ride/styling/features/quality I want. In my opinion, those that don't are out of their minds. Not sure how associating major consumer purchases…

Like it or not, if you buy a Tesla today you are signaling that you're okay with being associated with Nazism.

Regardless if you care or not, if you buy a Tesla you're also giving Elon more power, again aiding a Nazi.

You may think that's unfair but that's just how it is.

But it seems you just don't care if people are Nazis or not. Maybe the lack of empathy is why you think it's absolutely crazy to nor just consider the car itself?

Re: Tesla sales plummet in the UK, France, and Germany

#185

Post by lordfrito »

lawn wrote: post #184
lordfrito wrote: post #181

I said it before and I'll say it again. If you bought a Tesla because of Elon Musk (when he was cool), or sold a Tesla because of Elon Musk (because now he's not cool), then you're not really buying a car but social capital. I simply buy the best car I can afford that has the ride/styling/features/quality I want. In my opinion, those that don't are out of their minds. Not sure how associating major consumer purchases…

Like it or not, if you buy a Tesla today you are signaling that you're okay with being associated with Nazism. Regardless if you care or not, if you buy a Tesla you're also giving Elon more power, again aiding a Nazi. You may think that's unfair but that's just how it is. But it seems you just don't care if people are Nazis or not. Maybe the lack of empathy is why you think it's absolutely crazy to nor just consider…

> if you buy a Tesla today you are signaling that you're okay with being associated with Nazism.

Sounds like social capital to me, which is the point I was making. My purchases don't relate to social signaling on my part, not sure how we got here.

I mean, people don't have a problem with the iPhones being built by essentially slave labor. Technically if you buy an iPhone, I guess by your logic you're okay being associated with slavery.

Utter nonsense.

Re: Tesla sales plummet in the UK, France, and Germany

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Post by purplethinking »

lenerdenator wrote: post #38
schmidp wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s ridiculous. Can you name examples where he is signaling Nazism (except the Salut). Have you watched any long form podcasts of him?

Besides this? [0] [0] https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/nov/16/elon-musk...

I mean, you label ADL as a Nazi party. Then you label Musk as Nazi by association. But if you actually look at ADL they are not Nazis. Here's an interesting things I saw just today: https://x.com/derJamesJackson/status/1887425955494268997

So gays are supporting a Nazi party?

Re: Tesla sales plummet in the UK, France, and Germany

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Post by ahartmetz »

bhaak wrote: post #177
tim333 wrote: post #124

Vaguely related, Paul Graham tweeted "I worry Elon has no idea how much he has damaged his personal brand ...", re UK stuff and Elon posted a pages of text rant as a result. Not sure if it was written by him or Grok. I worry Elon's going a bit bonkers with drugs or whatever. Conversation here: https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1879785727468163505

Looking at all those tech people going nuts I really wonder if it might be finasteride or minoxidil having side effects we don't know yet. Sure, people got the brain eating bug in the past, too, but it seems nowadays it is much more common.

For Musk, it's reportedly pretty well-known drugs: Ketamine, LSD, magic mushrooms.

Spiegel (~German equivalent of Time magazine) article about it https://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/unternehmen/elon-musk-soll...

Re: Tesla sales plummet in the UK, France, and Germany

#189

Post by mijamo »

lordfrito wrote: post #185
lawn wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like it or not, if you buy a Tesla today you are signaling that you're okay with being associated with Nazism. Regardless if you care or not, if you buy a Tesla you're also giving Elon more power, again aiding a Nazi. You may think that's unfair but that's just how it is. But it seems you just don't care if people are Nazis or not. Maybe the lack of empathy is why you think it's absolutely crazy to nor just consider…

> if you buy a Tesla today you are signaling that you're okay with being associated with Nazism. Sounds like social capital to me, which is the point I was making. My purchases don't relate to social signaling on my part, not sure how we got here. I mean, people don't have a problem with the iPhones being built by essentially slave labor. Technically if you buy an iPhone, I guess by your logic you're okay being assoc…

Most brand values exist because purchases are social capital, and this has been the case for a long time.

Re: Tesla sales plummet in the UK, France, and Germany

#190

Post by sillyfluke »

lordfrito wrote: post #181

I said it before and I'll say it again. If you bought a Tesla because of Elon Musk (when he was cool), or sold a Tesla because of Elon Musk (because now he's not cool), then you're not really buying a car but social capital. I simply buy the best car I can afford that has the ride/styling/features/quality I want. In my opinion, those that don't are out of their minds. Not sure how associating major consumer purchases…

Missing from this exquisite take is any evidence you present that this describes anyone else besides the guy that got a picture of Robert Mueller tattoed on his body during Russiagate and a couple of more likeminded hapless stringers.

Democrats were into being green before any of the post-Roadster cars came out. It's like saying that a ton of people bought iphones did so because they thought Jobs was a genius beforehand. No, they became insufferable Jobs fanboys because they thought the iphone was amazing.

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