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Re: DOGE employees ordered to stop using Slack

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The more polite term is "sealioning." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning

> both sides do this > can you give a specific example you see as similar? > wahhhh stop sealioning me!

'This' is as defined by you, as you reject analogies based on whatever premise you impose on others, even though they pretend to be mere questions.

I knew you would reject whatever was offered, and you did. It was never a sincere question.

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No one I know who has been migrated to Teams has been happy about that change.

+1. The only thing better about teams is that it comes 'free' with Microsoft 365. Though you can now take that without it for about 1.50 per month less. But slack costs a lot more. On paper they can do the same but slack is just so much better in terms of UX. Though i do hate that they dropped the IRC bridge. I have been active in slack communities a lot less as a result. I always have my IRC open but not slack.

For companies using teams rather than slack: why not use excel rather than a CRM? You'll save lots of money. Use Google hangouts instead of Zoom. Free videocalling, why worry about quality?

It's not clear to me that you actually save money by using worse technology, if it takes more time to do stuff (after you've restarted teams three times to try to get share screen to work, for example).

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If you assume that USAID was evil from the oustset, its easy to conclude that everything its tendrils touched was also tainted. Kinda like evil. But, the sad part is, that this also means its an idea which is impossible to challenge, because you cant trust anyone who counters it.

> If you assume that USAID was evil from the oustset, I'm not "assuming", I know that for a fact. > because you cant trust anyone who counters it. Do you happen to live in a part of the Globe that has been under direct USAID (and NED) influence? Something tells me you don't, I do (I live in Eastern Europe), so allow me not to receive lessons from people who know nothing, absolutely nothing, about this type of organis…

It would help if you’d share something beyond a bald assertion. The idea of soft power gets used by tons of governments everywhere. Maybe they undertook some evil actions where you live. But they also ship food to places that need it, and they fund infrastructure projects.

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> used by journalists and lawyers to hold government accountable. The journalists from Politico have just been ousted by DOGE has having had received $8 million in annual funding from USAID (another Government-run institution that has been ousted by the same DOGE), so I can understand how come Musk would want to keep DOGE's dealing away from journalists that might see this agency as very antithetic to their (the jour…

Wrong. The entire federal government has $8 million dollars worth of Politico Pro subscriptions (like Bloomberg terminal for public policy). USAID spent $24k on those subscriptions. Musk is full of shit. I have yet to see an example of such a claim that didn't end up being massively exaggerated or outright false.

That’s the whole playbook. Exaggerate loudly the first time you say something, then quietly retract it when nobody is looking. Then say you said the retraction the whole time. It’s textbook manufactured outrage.

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> Did you forge[t] to add /s or were you actually expecting Musk to be transparent and truthful? Do you remember all his promises about full self driving Teslas? He's one of the most honest and truthful people in the world, and has been for years.

"He's one of the most honest and truthful people in the world, and has been for years." You know what this is simply getting to idiotic now. Why are comments this daft and childish allowed here now? I know it's a "way of speaking" among certain trolling Trump/Musk supporters but it's so unfathomably shameless and idolising i'm not sure what's going on exactly. If people like you are over 20 years old, then wow. "He's…

It's dripping with so much sarcasm I'm afraid my warranty will be voided for water damage. It even mentions his self driving promises to drive the point home...

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> President doesn't have authority to shut them down by EO either I'm not sure they are being shut down. USAID is being restructured for instance and folded into the State Department.

The state dept issued an evacuation order for all USAID staff overseas. How will they accomplish their mission? This includes medical care and distribution of HIV medication to up to 20 million people.

Why are American taxpayers paying for medical care and HIV medication for 20 million people?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't those people foreign nationals as well?

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DOGE is obviously a completely illegal operation, and I really do hope it will be get reined in before they can cause an issue so big that _even trump's croniest cronies_ have to admit what is going on. For someone who claims to love freedom of speech, Elon is pretty quick to determine who can say what, and how much access to _his_ data people have.

> DOGE is obviously a completely illegal operation Could you share you reasons. From what I gather, the EO[1] does a few things to avoid potential law suits: - It revised the purpose of an existing agency, USDS. The general purpose is not changed: "Modernizing Federal Technology and Software to Maximize Efficiency and Productivity". This avoids the issue of creating a new agency without the approval from Congress. -…

The USDS wasn't established by Congress, it was established by Obama via Presidential memoranda and OMB budget request.

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The state dept issued an evacuation order for all USAID staff overseas. How will they accomplish their mission? This includes medical care and distribution of HIV medication to up to 20 million people.

Why are American taxpayers paying for medical care and HIV medication for 20 million people? Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't those people foreign nationals as well?

Because we elected representative who then funded these soft power initiatives. That’s how democracy works.

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> DOGE is private citizens giving their opinions about how the government should work to a politician who happens to be listening to them No, DOGE was formalized as a division of the US Digital Service. Employees of DOGE are federal government employees. Some of them, like Elon are "Special Government Employees" which is a short-term category and avoids certain disclosures. Creating DOGE and enabling them to have acc…

Okay, so these citizens are federal employees. Guess what, the First Ammendment still gives them the right to tell politicians what they should be doing.

No one said they didn’t have a 1st amendment right.

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>Why can't software come in a box, like it used to - then it can run on a machine that I control, and only talk to machines that I control too. At some point you will want or need to talk to machines you don't control, because society consists of people other than yourself, and machines that they control. And in this hell of other people, "basic common sense and due diligence" are synonymous with blind trust.

IRC used to work like I described, and it had no trouble talking to strangers. Websites are usually hosted on machines the owner controls, running software the owner controls, yet have no trouble talking to the external world.

> IRC used to work like I described, and it had no trouble talking to strangers.

Except for the server, which is usually run on a box you don't control.

> Websites are usually hosted on machines the owner controls, running software the owner controls, yet have no trouble talking to the external world.

Most websites are absolutely not ran on machines the owner controls...

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