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Post by llamaimperative »

ty6853 wrote: post #279
llamaimperative wrote: post #275

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No I frankly have never heard of anything like this, and it doesn't appear the dozens of federal budget experts, Constitutional law experts, political historians, or policy legal analysts I follow closely have heard of anything similar either. I don't think anyone at any location on the political spectrum would describe what's going on right now as "business as usual," but apparently you believe that's the case. So p…

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But uhhh… Isn’t that process actually going on currently in Congress, where/when/how it normally happens, and this process is going on separately, very atypically, and already changing government outflows prior to any congressional decisions?

I don’t think “every year a totally different branch of government argues over the budget” is analogous at all, and I don’t think you do either.

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Post by torginus »

krapp wrote: post #199
torginus wrote: post #193

I don't have an opinion on the political aspects of this, but I find the choice of uploading all your data to a central server by default an insane choice, and I hate that this is the default in the modern world. Why can't software come in a box, like it used to - then it can run on a machine that I control, and only talk to machines that I control too. Then it's not a matter of belief and blind trust and hoping agai…

>Why can't software come in a box, like it used to - then it can run on a machine that I control, and only talk to machines that I control too. At some point you will want or need to talk to machines you don't control, because society consists of people other than yourself, and machines that they control. And in this hell of other people, "basic common sense and due diligence" are synonymous with blind trust.

IRC used to work like I described, and it had no trouble talking to strangers.

Websites are usually hosted on machines the owner controls, running software the owner controls, yet have no trouble talking to the external world.

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Post by kossTKR »

palmotea wrote: post #28
Bhilai wrote: post #18

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Did you forger to add /s or were you actually expecting Musk to be transparent and truthful?

> Did you forge[t] to add /s or were you actually expecting Musk to be transparent and truthful? Do you remember all his promises about full self driving Teslas? He's one of the most honest and truthful people in the world, and has been for years.

"He's one of the most honest and truthful people in the world, and has been for years."

You know what this is simply getting to idiotic now. Why are comments this daft and childish allowed here now? I know it's a "way of speaking" among certain trolling Trump/Musk supporters but it's so unfathomably shameless and idolising i'm not sure what's going on exactly.

If people like you are over 20 years old, then wow. "He's the most honest person in the world", literally come on now even if you believe in his way of doing things.

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Post by krapp »

ty6853 wrote: post #264
yongjik wrote: post #252

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I assume this is a prevalent mindset of a big chunk of Trump supporters. "I love it when half of my state government is at war with the remaining half, and I want the US government to be like that, so that it can't get anything done." Well, I guess that's better than being outright neo-Nazi ...

Yes that is essentially what I want but for the same reason I am not a trump supporter nor did I vote for Trump despite voting. I see him as a somewhat useful tool of chaos but I'm under no illusion he is operating under anything but pursuit of personal gains.

Useful to whom, though?

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Post by floatrock »

remarkEon wrote: post #198
floatrock wrote: post #119

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Are we complaining about the millions the feds pay SpaceX for their starlink terminals? Are we concerned about the government subscriptions to Bloomberg feeds? I'll get rage-y about this one when someone explains what a Politico premium subscription provides and why it was a corrupt purchase. Maybe it's a valid information data service that provides key information to whatever agency purchased it, purchased using an…

You see the difference between a Starlink and Bloomberg terminal, and a "Pro" subscription to Politico, right?

I assume you're insinuating a politico pro subscription just lets you read clickbait articles without a paywall, and that's unreasonable?

Is that what a pro subscription is? Or does it provide useful data to a government agency that works on the ground in many different countries?

How about show me the government contract for the purchase that outlines what information they're purchasing? Who else bid on it, and why did Politico win? If they don't provide anything beyond clickbait articles, it should be pretty obvious that they were arbitrary chosen over whatever right-leaning competitor also bid on that sweet sweet government bucks. Every government purchase has mounds of paperwork, lets look into what the contract purchaser was actually trying to get from it before deciding this is a partisan bribe. Or does that take too much work and due-process, and we're just trying to score some quick smear-the-opposition rage points?

I'm all against government corruption, but show me this is corruption rather than a reasonable data purchase.

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Post by ty6853 »

krapp wrote: post #304
ty6853 wrote: post #264

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Yes that is essentially what I want but for the same reason I am not a trump supporter nor did I vote for Trump despite voting. I see him as a somewhat useful tool of chaos but I'm under no illusion he is operating under anything but pursuit of personal gains.

Useful to whom, though?

Ross Ulbricht, for one.

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Post by lupusreal »

jacobr1 wrote: post #142
lupusreal wrote: post #107

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That would make the executive orders illegal, or at best invalid. It wouldn't make DOGE illegal. DOGE is private citizens giving their opinions about how the government should work to a politician who happens to be listening to them (for now, but probably not long given that politician's track record for getting into feuds with former allies.) Citizens voicing their opinions about the government is clear cut First Am…

> DOGE is private citizens giving their opinions about how the government should work to a politician who happens to be listening to them No, DOGE was formalized as a division of the US Digital Service. Employees of DOGE are federal government employees. Some of them, like Elon are "Special Government Employees" which is a short-term category and avoids certain disclosures. Creating DOGE and enabling them to have acc…

Okay, so these citizens are federal employees. Guess what, the First Ammendment still gives them the right to tell politicians what they should be doing.

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Post by mrtesthah »

paulvnickerson wrote: post #118
kemayo wrote: post #83

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President doesn't have authority to shut them down by EO either. Congress does, yes. (It's one of those "power of the purse" things. If Congress has created an organization and funded it, the executive is required to spend that money on it.)

> President doesn't have authority to shut them down by EO either I'm not sure they are being shut down. USAID is being restructured for instance and folded into the State Department.

The state dept issued an evacuation order for all USAID staff overseas. How will they accomplish their mission? This includes medical care and distribution of HIV medication to up to 20 million people.

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Post by ty6853 »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #293
ty6853 wrote: post #265

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Supremacy clause will likely protect them. Even fed lon horiuchi, charged with sniping an innocent woman with a child in her arms, was able to claim supremacy long enough the state case was too stale to win.

> Supremacy clause will likely protect them Supremacy just covers removal [1]. The body of law being adjudicated doesn't change. And the President can't pardon state offences. I'm not convinced all these folks will get convicted. But they're almost certainly spending their thirties in court. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Removal_jurisdiction

>In 1997, Horiuchi was charged with manslaughter for killing Vicki Weaver at Ruby Ridge; the charges were later dropped due to Constitutional supremacy, granting federal officers immunity from actions taken in the scope of their practice

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lon_Horiuchi

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