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Re: DOGE employees ordered to stop using Slack

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Post by intended »

timeon wrote: post #168
intended wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The government isn't designed for one party to decide to play winner take all politics. It was assumed that people would find a way to work together, not that one party could punish bipartisanship within its own ranks, and then be rewarded for it. Furthermore America has been moving towards this for decades. There has been openly shared plans on how this was to be achieved, for multiple different stages. From stackin…

> It was assumed that people would find a way to work together This is not in line with first-past-the-post voting system. If you want to have "people work together" you need coalitions.

Congress deadlock is part of that idea, that people have to find common cause to work together.

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Post by moogly »

taurknaut wrote: post #173
jklinger410 wrote: post #58

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> DOGE is obviously a completely illegal operation This narrative infuriates me. Either you are right, and entire wings of our government are abetting a coup, or you are wrong, and our government has huge back doors that no one is watching. Both realities reveal something urgently broken with the United States. In a way that should scare the entire western world to its core.

I'm not really sure if you can call it a "coup" if all parties involved admit he was legitimately elected. Furthermore, this isn't exactly a bait-and-switch. He told us what exactly what he wanted to do. We already knew he would try to do illegal stuff. If you break the law and nobody who voted for you complains (unrealistic I realize, but bear with me), is the rule of law really that secure? If we only criticize Tru…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-coup

Re: DOGE employees ordered to stop using Slack

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Post by torginus »

I don't have an opinion on the political aspects of this, but I find the choice of uploading all your data to a central server by default an insane choice, and I hate that this is the default in the modern world.

Why can't software come in a box, like it used to - then it can run on a machine that I control, and only talk to machines that I control too.

Then it's not a matter of belief and blind trust and hoping against hope that nobody's spying on me - it's the matter of basic common sense and due diligence.

Re: DOGE employees ordered to stop using Slack

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Post by jltsiren »

jklinger410 wrote: post #58
code_runner wrote: post #41

DOGE is obviously a completely illegal operation, and I really do hope it will be get reined in before they can cause an issue so big that _even trump's croniest cronies_ have to admit what is going on. For someone who claims to love freedom of speech, Elon is pretty quick to determine who can say what, and how much access to _his_ data people have.

> DOGE is obviously a completely illegal operation This narrative infuriates me. Either you are right, and entire wings of our government are abetting a coup, or you are wrong, and our government has huge back doors that no one is watching. Both realities reveal something urgently broken with the United States. In a way that should scare the entire western world to its core.

The broken part is the idea that the legislative and judicial branches can act as checks and balances for the executive branch. In the end, the executive branch is the only branch with the ability to do something. The other two are just a bunch of talking heads.

Many other republics have split the executive branch into multiple semi-independent centers of power. The head of state and the head of government can be separate roles. A directly elected president may be responsible for signing laws and appointing senior officials, while a prime minister subordinate to the parliament may be in charge of running the executive branch. And government departments may have dual leadership with a politically appointed minister setting the directions and a career director appointed by the president running the department. Because the director's term is independent from the political appointees, they can refuse to comply if the minister asks something illegal.

Republics have all kinds of failure modes. For example, Hungary was supposed to be a robust parliamentary republic. But due to non-proportional elections, slightly over 50% of votes were enough for a sufficient supermajority to rewrite the constitution.

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Post by ty6853 »

krapp wrote: post #181
littlestymaar wrote: post #152

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This whole operation is as related to finding corruption exhibits as the Moscow trials were to finding traitors in the Red Army. It is a (ridiculous) pretext for purging the system from people that the new power deems “uncooperative”.

Yeah, I mean Musk has literally tweeted that DOGE is "dismantling the radical-left shadow government."[0] This is not about efficiency or rooting out corruption, it's about persecuting political enemies and purging wrongthink. Which was something people here screamed bloody murder about when they accused Biden of doing it, just by asking Twitter to moderate content, but I guess this is all fine now. [0] https://x.com…

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Re: DOGE employees ordered to stop using Slack

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Post by waltercool »

nilamo wrote: post #36
waltercool wrote: post #19

What? Why are you protecting Slack business? Even at my company I was in charge to replace Slack because is damn expensive in comparison to other options like Teams or Rocket Chat.

> damn expensive in comparison to [...] why would you compare Slack to half baked products that have only some of Slack's features?

It depends about what you need.

Rocketchat is mostly a clone of Slack for a quarter of the price.

Teams may not be the exact solution but brings Sharepoint, OneDrive and Outlook into a same place. For most companies using Microsoft 365 is great as you can comply with security policies and easily collaborate and join meeting groups with other companies without extra accounts.

Slack works fine for engineering teams, but still very expensive and not much professional for the corporate world.

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Post by kemayo »

amarcheschi wrote: post #150
kemayo wrote: post #123

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They could†, but they haven't. †: They actually couldn't, without stripping the filibuster from the Senate.

With the cross symbol I thought you were proposing to... Deal with doge in an unconventional, yet fast, disruptive and mangionesque way

It's a dagger symbol! Which... I guess doesn't entirely avert that implication.

(But really, it's the traditional second tier footnote symbol after an asterisk, which I couldn't use here because it triggers italics.)

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Post by remarkEon »

floatrock wrote: post #119
aeternum wrote: post #86

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What do you think about the legality of each federal department having millions in kickbacks to Politico in the form of hidden premium subscriptions? What about USAID being used to pay celebrities but only those that support one of the political parties?

Are we complaining about the millions the feds pay SpaceX for their starlink terminals? Are we concerned about the government subscriptions to Bloomberg feeds? I'll get rage-y about this one when someone explains what a Politico premium subscription provides and why it was a corrupt purchase. Maybe it's a valid information data service that provides key information to whatever agency purchased it, purchased using an…

You see the difference between a Starlink and Bloomberg terminal, and a "Pro" subscription to Politico, right?

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Post by krapp »

torginus wrote: post #193

I don't have an opinion on the political aspects of this, but I find the choice of uploading all your data to a central server by default an insane choice, and I hate that this is the default in the modern world. Why can't software come in a box, like it used to - then it can run on a machine that I control, and only talk to machines that I control too. Then it's not a matter of belief and blind trust and hoping agai…

>Why can't software come in a box, like it used to - then it can run on a machine that I control, and only talk to machines that I control too.

At some point you will want or need to talk to machines you don't control, because society consists of people other than yourself, and machines that they control. And in this hell of other people, "basic common sense and due diligence" are synonymous with blind trust.

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Post by skissane »

quickthrowman wrote: post #162
skissane wrote: post #131

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It is not debateable at all, the President has to ask Congress to rescind appropriated funds if the President doesn’t want to spend the money allocated by Congress. If Congress chooses not to rescind the allocated funds, then the president must spend the money. The Congressional Budget and Impoundment Act of 1974 is explicitly clear about this, there is absolutely no room for debate. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/C…

> The Congressional Budget and Impoundment Act of 1974 is explicitly clear about this, there is absolutely no room for debate.

Yes, but is that Act constitutional? Has SCOTUS upheld its constitutionality? That’s where there absolutely is room for debate.

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