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Microsoft deletes official Windows 11 CPU/TPM bypass for unsupported PCs

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Re: Microsoft deletes official Windows 11 CPU/TPM bypass for unsupported PCs

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Linux is in desperate need of a PR campaign. The popular distros are just as functional out of the box as Windows, but no one knows it.

We're just 5 years away from... - AGI/ASI - Fusion Energy - Linux overtaking Windows

If the current exponential holds, we are ~40 years away from Linux overtaking Windows.

(The exponent has been increasing since MS decided to snapshot the user screen all the time. But it's hard to say if it's just noise.)

Re: Microsoft deletes official Windows 11 CPU/TPM bypass for unsupported PCs

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Windows 11 looks like the perfect reason to give UNIX-based systems another try. Literally the only thing that's kept me hooked to Windows are the Office apps. They're baked into so many of my workflows, from creating simple graphics to doing my personal finances, and of course plenty of legacy documents that I'd like to continue being able to use. They're really Windows-native I've found, even the official versions…

> No way I'll use LaTeX for all my writing, and anything Markdown-based just won't cut it formatting-wise.

Have a look at Typst[0]. It's a lot easier to use than LaTeX, while still offering full formatting and layout.

Or you could give macOS a go. UNIX with proper desktop versions of the Office apps. ;)

[0]: https://typst.app/

Re: Microsoft deletes official Windows 11 CPU/TPM bypass for unsupported PCs

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post #77

Windows 11 looks like the perfect reason to give UNIX-based systems another try. Literally the only thing that's kept me hooked to Windows are the Office apps. They're baked into so many of my workflows, from creating simple graphics to doing my personal finances, and of course plenty of legacy documents that I'd like to continue being able to use. They're really Windows-native I've found, even the official versions…

Office is moving to the cloud, so the current dying breed of desktop apps should be covered by WINE, eventually. Or cave in and use O365, like I do for work - the irony is that Microsoft's insistence on O365 has completely defeated the purpose of their OS.

Re: Microsoft deletes official Windows 11 CPU/TPM bypass for unsupported PCs

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Recently moved to re-imaging many of the PC's that I mangage to Linux and so far has gone way smoother than I would have anticipated. Heavily considering moving two entire PC labs at another building to Linux as well. Not sure what Microsoft is thinking this go around Windows 11 has been a disaster. You essentially have to pay more to get a clean, stripped down version of the OS that is manageable.

Most of my machines are 12th gen Intel and they meet all the requirements for Windows 11. However frequently Win 11 updates have caused annoying boot loops, reset preferences, problems with apps already installed and more.

These are Dell Precision workstations so you would think they would have pretty good compatibility with Microsoft... but alas disappointed is the best word I can use.

Re: Microsoft deletes official Windows 11 CPU/TPM bypass for unsupported PCs

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post #77

Windows 11 looks like the perfect reason to give UNIX-based systems another try. Literally the only thing that's kept me hooked to Windows are the Office apps. They're baked into so many of my workflows, from creating simple graphics to doing my personal finances, and of course plenty of legacy documents that I'd like to continue being able to use. They're really Windows-native I've found, even the official versions…

I've used windows for 30+ years, and I'm getting a Mac this year. I seriously considered Linux on a Thinkpad and even test-drove Debian on my older X1 Carbon. I tried, but too many things didn't quite work. I'd get stuck on the login screen for no apparent reason. VMware modules were a pain to build and sign. Something (might have been VMware modules) caused it to freeze. Hidpi support isn't ready. And nothing was re…

As someone who has used OSX for .. 21 years now and is slowly, but surely moving off: the grass is not greener on the other side.

Bugs aplenty, a user interface which has seriously deteriorated over the last decade bundled with an ever-increasing user hostility and tendency to lock you out of your system.

One example: you can no longer manage which applications may run as daemons/background tasks. Any application can register itself with the OS to do so, and your only recourse is a little tiny switch in the system preferences.

Only, in the case of Google Chrome this does not work; the application constantly re-registers itself, overriding the setting. I can no longer prevent Chrome from doing whatever the hell it wants to do, and — adding insult to injury — every time it does, I get a persistent notification from macOS that it is now doing what ever the hell it wants to do. About a dozen times a day.

Re: Microsoft deletes official Windows 11 CPU/TPM bypass for unsupported PCs

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Sorry, I'm confused. I can't figure out from your explanation how the new adminless just-in-time elevation is supposed to be different from UAC's just-in-time elevation?

As far as I can tell, the difference is this: UAC is per-process and monotonic. Once elevated, the entire process stays elevated. The new model is per-operation. Even if the same process has been allowed to elevate before, it must ask to do it again. I don't know how granular this is, and whether there's a grace period like sudo. However, the biggest problem with UAC was that it was considered too noisy for the end u…

Huh. In that case, the upthread commenter likening the new model to being more "linux-like" seems confusing.

Given that they didn't mention which Linux security model the new system was like, I presumed they meant the most commonly referenced model for performing administrative tasks: sudo/doas - which elevates a process for its entire runtime.

But if it's a per-operation model, I guess they might have been comparing it to the "desktop portal"/"policykit-dbus" model instead? Which does kind of fit, but I don't think is the security model that most people think of when someone says "linux-like just-in-time escalation"?

Re: Microsoft deletes official Windows 11 CPU/TPM bypass for unsupported PCs

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Still feels like the solution here is just using Windows 10 IoT LTSC to avoid all this madness. It's a bloated product that feels worse to use than Windows 10, plain and simple.

Are there any off-the-beaten-path issues with setting up my parents with this?

LTSC doesn't come with Microsoft Store installed (a pro or con depending how you look at it), but it can be installed by running "wsreset -i" in Powershell.

Bonus: LTSC gets extended security patching support lifespan.

Re: Microsoft deletes official Windows 11 CPU/TPM bypass for unsupported PCs

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There are too many distros. Even the Gnome/KDE split has been unproductive. Desktop linux would have done better with more resources polishing a single product rather than making 20 half-baked products.

It doesn't really matter how many distros there are. If you're a new user, just use Debian Stable or Ubuntu LTS.

It does if every comment saying "Just use" has a different arcane incantation after it, and three comments under it saying why that specific version sucks and you should actually use something else.

Re: Microsoft deletes official Windows 11 CPU/TPM bypass for unsupported PCs

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I would it is a combination of metric-stuffing, land grab, and genuine concern about security. Metric stuffing. Everyone at Microsoft is graded on "impact". All the EVP-types at Microsoft have their eye on boldface jobs, so they need a track record of massive impact. Beimg able to claim that they got W11 from X billion devices to Y is how theyll be judged. Another example is how in Azure, the only metric that matters…

> I dont know that they are right (eg if the #1 exposure for home users is ransomware, does a tpm help at all?), but I am prepared to give them dome grace. One particularly generous view is that the TPM requirements catch PCs up with the TPM requirements of modern phones. (Both iOS and Android have had very strict TPM requirements for a while now.) With a lot of industry interest in moving to hardware security-backed…

Passkeys are also a great way to have vendor lock-in.
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