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Microsoft deletes official Windows 11 CPU/TPM bypass for unsupported PCs

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Re: Microsoft deletes official Windows 11 CPU/TPM bypass for unsupported PCs

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

Avamander wrote: post #143
lukeschlather wrote: post #114

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The number of functioning computers that are restricted to Windows 10 probably still outnumber the number of computers that can run Windows 11. Most people don't have $500 to drop on a replacement. (Very many of these computers might've been thousands of dollars new and will still outperform the majority of new Windows 11 machines.) Microsoft is just putting a huge environmental waste of a mandated obsolesence tax on…

Sure and the number of computers that can run Linux outperform them both. Maybe you don't need W11? I also don't think the share of TPM-less computers out there is actually that significant. Most laptops have shipped with one for a long time. Desktops that lack one can often buy one. Which is way cheaper than a new PC should you need W11. (I also suspect there are options way cheaper than $500 as well.) Saying that n…

There is still a lot of quite useful hardware that isn't supported. For example, the first gen Ryzen is apparently not supported, so then you're having to replace e.g. a Threadripper 1950X which has 16 cores and a 4GHz turbo. A new PC with even equivalent performance would be $600+ and a $500 new PC would be a downgrade.

There is also plenty of hardware that isn't fast but is being used in a situation where that doesn't matter. Some Haswell quad core being used for web and email could continue to be used for that indefinitely. That is old enough that it could be replaced with something newer for less than $500, but the entirety of the replacement cost is still lost money because it otherwise wouldn't have had to be replaced at all.

Re: Microsoft deletes official Windows 11 CPU/TPM bypass for unsupported PCs

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Post by stackskipton »

Croftengea wrote: post #165
kjellsbells wrote: post #75

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I would it is a combination of metric-stuffing, land grab, and genuine concern about security. Metric stuffing. Everyone at Microsoft is graded on "impact". All the EVP-types at Microsoft have their eye on boldface jobs, so they need a track record of massive impact. Beimg able to claim that they got W11 from X billion devices to Y is how theyll be judged. Another example is how in Azure, the only metric that matters…

> Security. Ironically, TPM requirement comes from the same company that invented logging your screen every few seconds and storing it unencrypted and without your consent.

Copilot+ thing is due to Metric stuffing. AI is big and Microsoft wanted to juice the numbers so stuffing copilot down everyone throat.

Security is important but like every company, will take a backseat to "revenue" or "growth".

Re: Microsoft deletes official Windows 11 CPU/TPM bypass for unsupported PCs

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Post by dehrmann »

queuebert wrote: post #27
Daunk wrote: post #25

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I recently found out that a friend of mine installed Linux on his own, completely removing his Windows install. And he has yet to "fiddle with the terminal", but still enjoys gaming on Steam and goes on with his daily routine.

Linux is in desperate need of a PR campaign. The popular distros are just as functional out of the box as Windows, but no one knows it.

There are too many distros. Even the Gnome/KDE split has been unproductive. Desktop linux would have done better with more resources polishing a single product rather than making 20 half-baked products.

Re: Microsoft deletes official Windows 11 CPU/TPM bypass for unsupported PCs

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Post by dehrmann »

ge96 wrote: post #210
dehrmann wrote: post #208

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I've used windows for 30+ years, and I'm getting a Mac this year. I seriously considered Linux on a Thinkpad and even test-drove Debian on my older X1 Carbon. I tried, but too many things didn't quite work. I'd get stuck on the login screen for no apparent reason. VMware modules were a pain to build and sign. Something (might have been VMware modules) caused it to freeze. Hidpi support isn't ready. And nothing was re…

Used Carbon x1s are such a great buy, $200 you get 1440p i7 16gb ram only problem is batteries but yeah works great on Ubuntu in my experience

Sounds like my 6th Gen X1, only I replaced the battery last fall. I also noticed the display glitches sometimes when I open it, and the USB-C ports have connection issues sometimes.

Re: Microsoft deletes official Windows 11 CPU/TPM bypass for unsupported PCs

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

hparadiz wrote: post #137
smw wrote: post #123

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Wouldn't disallowing updates to Win 11 be the opposite of a logical plan if your goal was to get people upgraded to Win 11?

The secondary goal is lowering support costs. Less hardware to support does that.

Substantially the entirety of the legacy hardware support cost is for accessories, i.e. PCIe cards and USB devices. All of that still exists and people will continue to expect to plug their existing devices into their new PC and have them work.

Re: Microsoft deletes official Windows 11 CPU/TPM bypass for unsupported PCs

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Post by binkHN »

kjellsbells wrote: post #75
ch_123 wrote: post #18

What is Microsoft hoping to accomplish here? Given the rate of adoption of Windows 11, it seems unlikely that a majority of Windows 10 users will replace their hardware between now and October. It also seems to me that the scenario where a majority of PC users are running an unsupported Windows release is likely to create MS more problems than is offset by potential revenue from a hardware refresh cycle. Is there an…

I would it is a combination of metric-stuffing, land grab, and genuine concern about security. Metric stuffing. Everyone at Microsoft is graded on "impact". All the EVP-types at Microsoft have their eye on boldface jobs, so they need a track record of massive impact. Beimg able to claim that they got W11 from X billion devices to Y is how theyll be judged. Another example is how in Azure, the only metric that matters…

> I plan to use this opportunity to install Linux on my old PC.

Use this opportunity to install Linux and your NEW PC, and then buckle in!

Re: Microsoft deletes official Windows 11 CPU/TPM bypass for unsupported PCs

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Post by dehrmann »

Kokouane wrote: post #99

Still feels like the solution here is just using Windows 10 IoT LTSC to avoid all this madness. It's a bloated product that feels worse to use than Windows 10, plain and simple.

Are there any off-the-beaten-path issues with setting up my parents with this?

Re: Microsoft deletes official Windows 11 CPU/TPM bypass for unsupported PCs

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Post by deno »

toast0 wrote: post #117
gruez wrote: post #8

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What are some examples of DRM that uses TPM? What does TPM provide that stuff like SGX (which is already used in DRM) doesn't provide?

SGX is used for DRM in official Blu-Ray 4K playback on PCs, and Intel removed SGX from client cpus in 11th gen (Ice Lake) which means if you want to play those discs on a PC, you either need an older processor or a Xeon or to give in and use unauthorized software. I'm not sure that tying their horse to SGX is good for adoption of the format.

Ice Lake is 10th gen and last gen with SGX on consumer SKUs.

Re: Microsoft deletes official Windows 11 CPU/TPM bypass for unsupported PCs

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

dehrmann wrote: post #213
queuebert wrote: post #27

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Linux is in desperate need of a PR campaign. The popular distros are just as functional out of the box as Windows, but no one knows it.

There are too many distros. Even the Gnome/KDE split has been unproductive. Desktop linux would have done better with more resources polishing a single product rather than making 20 half-baked products.

It doesn't really matter how many distros there are. If you're a new user, just use Debian Stable or Ubuntu LTS.

Re: Microsoft deletes official Windows 11 CPU/TPM bypass for unsupported PCs

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Post by globular-toast »

freeone3000 wrote: post #182
mixmastamyk wrote: post #170

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Indeed, the security shenanigans around XP are what convinced me to finally move over. “Better formatting” is not nearly enough to stay in an abusive relationship.

How the documents look is everything . That’s what separates desktop publishing like Word from Notepad. The documents have to look the same and have to print the same. Legal cases depend on it. Academic submissions depend on it (Nature Communications template is not latex, it is word ). This is not something that can be omitted.

Word doesn't guarantee they look the same anyway. People send PDFs when they care about that.
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