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Microsoft deletes official Windows 11 CPU/TPM bypass for unsupported PCs

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Re: Microsoft deletes official Windows 11 CPU/TPM bypass for unsupported PCs

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Post by kbelder »

Karellen wrote: post #157
t_mann wrote: post #77

Windows 11 looks like the perfect reason to give UNIX-based systems another try. Literally the only thing that's kept me hooked to Windows are the Office apps. They're baked into so many of my workflows, from creating simple graphics to doing my personal finances, and of course plenty of legacy documents that I'd like to continue being able to use. They're really Windows-native I've found, even the official versions…

It's probably worth trying LibreOffice again if your last install was a couple of years ago. They take document compatibility bugs pretty seriously and fix a bunch with every release. That's probably the easiest step to take next, before looking at virtualization or a full Linux install with Wine.

LibreOffice does everything I need personally, and is far more powerful and useful than Google's or Microsoft's web suite.

I still use desktop Office for spreadsheets that need to be shared. Word docs are pretty well supported by Libre at this point.

Re: Microsoft deletes official Windows 11 CPU/TPM bypass for unsupported PCs

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Post by bangaladore »

wnevets wrote: post #116

has anyone ever explained why TPM 2.0 is so much better than TPM 1.2 on Windows 11? What can't Microsoft do securely with 1.2 that it can with 2.0? I'm not asking what 2.0 does better than 1.2, I am asking why is it a must have.

The TPM spec is somewhat interesting in that many fundamental capabilities (or at least you would think) are optional. 2.0 enforces some more capabilities and/or adds more capabilities. That's at least one part of it.

Re: Microsoft deletes official Windows 11 CPU/TPM bypass for unsupported PCs

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Post by StefanBatory »

bigstrat2003 wrote: post #189
graemep wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is resembles Windows important? Macos does not and is doing fine, so is Chromeos, so is Android. Even Windows can be quite different from older versions of Windows.

Because if you wish to convince people they should switch from Windows, that's a very important factor. People do not like change, and they want the skills they have to transfer over as much as possible.

My parents would break down in panic if they did as much as moved a single icon to the left on Android phones. To them it was almost as if they broke the phone.

Re: Microsoft deletes official Windows 11 CPU/TPM bypass for unsupported PCs

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Post by p_ing »

bArray wrote: post #179
p_ing wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> for example DRM or it snoops on you Stop spreading FUD.

It's not a guarantee, you may consider it FUD, but you can't tell me it's impossible - you can't even promise me it won't happen. The TPM is fundamentally about storing cryptographic keys, platform integrity checks, unique IDs, etc. It is already used for secure logins by the Windows OS. Microsoft are successfully enforcing your email, ID, logins, etc, to be associated directly with your unique hardware. One day you…

TPM isn't capable of the outlandish claims you're making. It stores textual content in PCRs, and is extremely limited at that, not at the very least of in size.

Unique IDs of a system don't require a TPM. Microsoft uses unique IDs from various hardware to bind a product key to a particular device, and has been doing that since the XP era.

Intel and gfx vendors already provide secure DRM paths. TPM isn't capable of doing so.

> Don't get me wrong, security devices should exist 100%. But. It should never be forced.

They should be forced otherwise users would continue leaving themselves open to attack. Security has moved on from ACLs. Microsoft recognizes the need for things like VBS to protect against modern threats, which in turn requires TPM.

Apple has been doing this for roughly 15 or so years now with no fanfare on consumer devices. TPM has been around on x86 since the late '00s with little-to-no fanfare.

Re: Microsoft deletes official Windows 11 CPU/TPM bypass for unsupported PCs

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Post by reginald78 »

heroprotagonist wrote: post #41

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The TPM push predates the AI craze and I don't see this as a particularly strong compliment so this doesn't really follow to me. But the general idea isn't that crazy honestly. They already use your upload bandwidth via a bittorrent-like system to distribute Windows updates to other users so there is precedent to use client resources to lower their own operating costs.

I think an AI botnet is probably a poor fit for AI workloads not mention it would be a security nightmare.

Re: Microsoft deletes official Windows 11 CPU/TPM bypass for unsupported PCs

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Post by baq »

Karellen wrote: post #157
t_mann wrote: post #77

Windows 11 looks like the perfect reason to give UNIX-based systems another try. Literally the only thing that's kept me hooked to Windows are the Office apps. They're baked into so many of my workflows, from creating simple graphics to doing my personal finances, and of course plenty of legacy documents that I'd like to continue being able to use. They're really Windows-native I've found, even the official versions…

It's probably worth trying LibreOffice again if your last install was a couple of years ago. They take document compatibility bugs pretty seriously and fix a bunch with every release. That's probably the easiest step to take next, before looking at virtualization or a full Linux install with Wine.

Calc is... bad. It's slow and I've run into bugs in formulas; would rather use google sheets, which are a different kind of bad, but better than calc. No issues with writer, haven't used anything else.

Re: Microsoft deletes official Windows 11 CPU/TPM bypass for unsupported PCs

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Post by pjmlp »

t_mann wrote: post #77

Windows 11 looks like the perfect reason to give UNIX-based systems another try. Literally the only thing that's kept me hooked to Windows are the Office apps. They're baked into so many of my workflows, from creating simple graphics to doing my personal finances, and of course plenty of legacy documents that I'd like to continue being able to use. They're really Windows-native I've found, even the official versions…

I gave up on Linux Desktop by Windows 7 timeframe, there is always something that doesn't work, even for old dogs with UNIX experience back to 1990's.

Since I am not to pay Apple prices for private gear, I rather keep Windows with Linux VM approach.

At work, it is a mix of Windows and macOS, depending on the project.

We leave Linux for the cloud servers, and embedded devices.

Re: Microsoft deletes official Windows 11 CPU/TPM bypass for unsupported PCs

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Post by reginald78 »

Avamander wrote: post #102
p_ing wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Valorant uses VBS, which in turn requires TPM 2.0. Valorant isn't directly leveraging TPM. https://support-valorant.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/169...

They're leveraging TPMs in the sense that they're banning specific ones.

I can't remember if this was Valorant related but I recall an article voicing concerns that physical hardware in PCs being used to identify users to ban and that the ban would persist when you purchased a used motherboard. Not a great general concern to me for games but the idea has much more sinister potential than just that.

Re: Microsoft deletes official Windows 11 CPU/TPM bypass for unsupported PCs

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Post by nosioptar »

t_mann wrote: post #77

Windows 11 looks like the perfect reason to give UNIX-based systems another try. Literally the only thing that's kept me hooked to Windows are the Office apps. They're baked into so many of my workflows, from creating simple graphics to doing my personal finances, and of course plenty of legacy documents that I'd like to continue being able to use. They're really Windows-native I've found, even the official versions…

I've had good luck with OpenOffice Writer being compatible with MS Office.

(LibreOffice was constantly having compatibility problems when I used it.)

Re: Microsoft deletes official Windows 11 CPU/TPM bypass for unsupported PCs

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Post by skydhash »

ThatMedicIsASpy wrote: post #83
cesarb wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One thing I've observed is that people who started using Linux a long time ago (which is my case) tend to slide into the command line, even when there's a perfectly good GUI alternative. Want to rename a file? Why use F2, just open a terminal, cd to the path, and mv the file. Newer users who started with the GUI are less likely to have these habits.

A dropdown terminal with tab autocomplete is faster for navigation on my end

I use a tiling WM, I'm always certain that Workspace 3 and 4 will have a terminal open, and from there it's just using lf (tui file manager). I don't have a GUI file manager installed.
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