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Microsoft deletes official Windows 11 CPU/TPM bypass for unsupported PCs

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Re: Microsoft deletes official Windows 11 CPU/TPM bypass for unsupported PCs

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Does TPM support/requirements actually have any meaningful impact on a home user? I could understand being a requirement for Windows 11 Pro (which I believe has Bitlocker, but Home does not). I don't see why it would be required for Home, maybe some features just wouldn't be available, but are those features that people actually care about?

If I'm not misremembering, Home can use BitLocker on W11.

The existence of a TPM also lets DPAPI use it, which in turn lets things like browsers and other software protect user data (from malware for example). It also makes new features like Device Bound Session Credentials (DBSC) possible.

But there's also VBS and by extension things like Device Guard. Which in turn entails things like ESS (Enhanced Sign-in Security, more secure biometric auth), Trusted Boot, HVCI, Credential Guard and so on.

DRM is like the last thing it's actually good for, if you actually look into it.

Re: Microsoft deletes official Windows 11 CPU/TPM bypass for unsupported PCs

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I recently found out that a friend of mine installed Linux on his own, completely removing his Windows install. And he has yet to "fiddle with the terminal", but still enjoys gaming on Steam and goes on with his daily routine.

One thing I've observed is that people who started using Linux a long time ago (which is my case) tend to slide into the command line, even when there's a perfectly good GUI alternative. Want to rename a file? Why use F2, just open a terminal, cd to the path, and mv the file. Newer users who started with the GUI are less likely to have these habits.

I've been using Linux for 25 years, there were file browsers and I believe F2 did rename. I rarely use them, but then it's rare I want to rename a file. If I want to do something larger, it tends to be using things like "find" or at least "mv * /tgt".

Re: Microsoft deletes official Windows 11 CPU/TPM bypass for unsupported PCs

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> but are those features that people actually care about? The users? No. The corporations that make DRM? Yes.

Remember boot-sector viruses? The TPM helps prevent those. DRM is not something that the TPM enables or helps with or facilitates in any way. Please read this, and do your part to make the world a bit more educated, on average: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Platform_Module#Overvi... If you don't dismiss my comment as the comment of a corporate shill, you might learn something, and in the future that knowledge…

> Remember boot-sector viruses? The TPM helps prevent those.

What prevents boot sector viruses is Secure Boot, not TPM.

Re: Microsoft deletes official Windows 11 CPU/TPM bypass for unsupported PCs

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What is Microsoft hoping to accomplish here? Given the rate of adoption of Windows 11, it seems unlikely that a majority of Windows 10 users will replace their hardware between now and October. It also seems to me that the scenario where a majority of PC users are running an unsupported Windows release is likely to create MS more problems than is offset by potential revenue from a hardware refresh cycle. Is there an…

Be thankful you've never found yourself involved in the Microsoft system of APIs. They behave beyond irrationally. Perhaps somebody can explain why from an internal view, but from an external view it's like this - WPF was one of Microsoft's first UI frameworks released after the Winforms age. It was initially Windows only but had a large enough following that it eventually ended up getting non-official ports to just about every platform. And it was really quite an excellent UI library.

So then Microsoft decided to follow this up with UWP. UWP was the intended successor to WPF, the 'Universal Windows Platform'. It was supposed to run on any Windows platform. But then the Windows Phone got cancelled, and they also eventually cancelled all support for anything except Windows 10. So it turned into the Windows 10 Platform. And it was heavily tied into the Microsoft store to the point that actually deploying it elsewhere was rendered infeasible. Outside of that it was a technically inferior WPF with a few nicer looking default UI elements and a bunch of new bugs. Oh and some namespaces and other things were changed mostly pretty randomly just enough to make it completely incompatible with WPF.

And then this process repeated multiple times over. Each time they lost more and more developers. If they had simply continued building on WPF I think they would likely be a universal standard for UI development, at least for desktop. Instead they're now onto WinUI 3 which nobody uses, including Microsoft. Oh and all the while this was happening they were also developing Xamarin (and similar timeline of a million subsequent renamings and 'refactorings') which is pretty much the same thing, but different, and cross platform, but not.

I'm the sort that'd naturally leap to conspiratorial explanations - Microsoft pushing anything called "trusted" feels like a rusted van with darkened windows sitting outside a school with "FREE CANDY" sloppily painted on the side. But in this case.. no, Microsoft is just so completely weird and irrational with how they push things, often to the point of self defeat.

Re: Microsoft deletes official Windows 11 CPU/TPM bypass for unsupported PCs

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Linux is in desperate need of a PR campaign. The popular distros are just as functional out of the box as Windows, but no one knows it.

Linux is in desperate need of a stable ABI that isn't Win32 as well as a stable, unified Window Server.

IBM employee without a disclosure? /sarcasm

Re: Microsoft deletes official Windows 11 CPU/TPM bypass for unsupported PCs

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I’m nearly 100% migrated to Pop. MS gave lots of warning, but I still have a VM on 10 for a couple apps I rarely using including Office in case I absolutely need it. Hoping that Steam Console is real. For work, I am stuck dealing with 11. There are many things I hate about 11, but why is it so damned slow and laggy on a brand new Copilot PC? File explorer is like loading file lists with a 2400 bps modem, and Office a…

The first app I grab for any Windows installation is Everything from VoidTools [0]. It is simply the best, fastest way to find anything on a Windows computer. If you know any part of the file name you are a few keystrokes away from locating it on any indexed disk that is connected.

Since this is a work PC maybe you don't have the option but if that's the case you should talk to your IT nerd and get permission. Also, make a donation. Great software like Everything is worth buying.

[0] https://www.voidtools.com/downloads/

I can't help with Office. Too bad you have to use Win11. Win7 Pro still works great for me when I need a Winbox.

Re: Microsoft deletes official Windows 11 CPU/TPM bypass for unsupported PCs

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I would it is a combination of metric-stuffing, land grab, and genuine concern about security. Metric stuffing. Everyone at Microsoft is graded on "impact". All the EVP-types at Microsoft have their eye on boldface jobs, so they need a track record of massive impact. Beimg able to claim that they got W11 from X billion devices to Y is how theyll be judged. Another example is how in Azure, the only metric that matters…

> Security There's a pretty interesting video from 2023 that goes through much of Microsoft's thoughts around Windows security. It flew under the radar unfortunately: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8T6ClX-y2AE

Do you have a TL;DW? It's an hour long video
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