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I'm not a fan of either doing this. I'm watching all open protocols slowly disappear and it's killing innovation in the industry.

The "open protocol" is Facebook Events right now. It's a pretty low bar.

Just because Facebook created a walled garden that doesn't mean everyone else should too.

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#812
Another thing Google had cornered with Photos and and Google+ only to let it rot and die instead of taking feedback and iterating over it.

Kind of sad, but I should probably be thankful given the direction Google has been moving since.

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#813

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It is. Works great without Google services (maybe pushes don’t work though, I can’t remember), or with microG. > It's not a combination of steps that would be accessible to the average user Tangential, but I’m thinking about starting a degoogled phone shop. Not sure if it’s a good business idea, but I think there is at least some demand there. EDIT: aurorastore[.]org you link to is not the official site by the way. I…

> Tangential, but I’m thinking about starting a degoogled phone shop. Not sure if it’s a good business idea, but I think there is at least some demand there. Sounds like an incredible amount of pain for very little gain. * Even in my bubble (CS nerds, Linux only, FOSS developers, ect.), only around 20% run custom ROMs on their phones. The demand is tiny. * Even the very best UX ROMs (GrapheneOS on a modern Pixel, wit…

Yeah, probably not really worth it.

> Google Pay/Wallet is straight up impossible

FWIW, microG seems to have fixed Play Integrity (again), so Google Pay is not out of the question now. (It’s still very painful though, even on LineageOS with Google services without a sandbox I can’t get it working – though it seems that my device was flagged specifically, and in theory it should work with some hacks.)

And I think Google Lens should work out of the box :thinking:

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#814
What a great time to live in, where the three major OS ecosystems are so large that they can avoid collaborating with each other over topics that affects all of them and still reach critical mass in utilization. /s

I can't imagine something basic like a common Email specification (or Wi-Fi) to ever happen in this industry again...

Re: Apple Invites

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> but apparently the ‘color of the bubble’ has been a big thing in the U.S. among youth It's not the color itself that's the problem, it's that having one green user means the entire conversation falls back to SMS and thus photos, videos, etc are all degraded and you can't do more rich messaging things like reactions. This is changing with RCS but it is in Apple's interest to make it a social change rather than just…

Children care. Children also often can't afford the cost of a new iPhone. Adults don't really give a fuck as I can tell about it. Adults don't really give a fuck about lots of what children care about.

Im an adult and cant stand sms. It makes texting unowrkable.

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#816
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post #636

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It's not the telcos. My family can't send my Android phone a text because Apple intercepts it and sends it as an iMessage instead.

That's a very malicious way to put it, and you could easily google how to "deregister" your previous apple phone's number. Also, your family has total control on how to send it, they should just long-press the send button and choose to send as SMS.

It's not malicious. It's the reality. I already have deregistered my phone number. Their contacts for me have no mention of my email address now. They are sending a message to a phone number, and it still sends it as an iMessage.

You aren't being humble and understanding how terrible and complex the situation is. And it is not our faults. It is Apple's.

And by the way, that de-registration process only exists because Apple was sued for this before.

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#817

I really hope this fails. Apple will use it's dominant position to create lock in like how they did with iMessage instead of cooperating with other platforms on a common standard. Oder friends and family are surprised when they want to video call over Facetime and find it hard to believe other people's phones don't have Apple apps.

Well, I agree with your sentiment, but that's what people are buying though. People buy iPhones because 'they're different' due to iOS, the ecosystem, etc. I mean, high-end Android devices are really on par with, if not better than, iPhones, but people still buy iPhones because they don't want to share that feeling with everyone else.

I buy iPhones because Ive got many hundreds of dollars of content on my ios account that is decades old at this point.

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#818

I think some demographic info can be useful in judging the potential uptake. Apple iPhone ownership amongst USA teens: 2024: 87% 2019: 83% 2014: 67% https://www.iclarified.com/95177/87-of-us-teens-own-iphones-... https://www.pipersandler.com/news/piper-jaffray-completes-se... https://www.pipersandler.com/news/different-new-cool-accordi... Smartphone marketshare for iPhone in various countries: 65%: Norway 59%: Sweden…

Norway data from statcounter doesn't seem reliable. In just 4 months, July->October 2024, there's a 14% upswing in iphone total marketshare. Which implies that at least 14% of users bought a new phone, assuming (wrongly) that everybody would have changed from Android to iPhone (ignoring also deceases and teenagers getting their first phone). And the period doesn't even include Black Friday or Christmas. And barely the iPhone 16 launch that happened in September 20, 2024.

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#819
post #617

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WhatsApp absolutely has hardware lock-in. You need to be an Apple or Google customer to use it, and you need at least one Android or iOS phone.

What's worse, and what people gloss over, is that you have to sync your contacts to Facebook/Meta in order to use WhatsApp. That's a lot of very private information that tells them a lot about you. There is a reason why Facebook paid bajillions for WhatsApp and maintains it, even though the communication is encrypted and there are no ads — it's not out of the goodness of their noble hearts. But try telling this to an…

You don't have to. At least on iOS I've managed to get away without doing it until now. WhatsApp does make it inconvenient to do stuff without syncing contacts though.

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#820

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I would rather join an Apple Invite Group than a WhatsApp Group. If they now make it possible to invite people in your radius they even get a share of dating apps.

How about a Matrix group? https://matrix.org

I'm sure Matrix users are a great dating pool.
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