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Re: Apple Invites

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Post by amazingamazing »

lordofgibbons wrote: post #362

I really hope this fails. Apple will use it's dominant position to create lock in like how they did with iMessage instead of cooperating with other platforms on a common standard. Oder friends and family are surprised when they want to video call over Facetime and find it hard to believe other people's phones don't have Apple apps.

apple doesn't have lock in with communication (imessage), and won't with this (invites).

sadly insecure people just can't get over it. some things are exclusive. it's ok.

Re: Apple Invites

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Post by aardvarkr »

aidenn0 wrote: post #566
alistairSH wrote: post #514

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From the article… Guests can view and respond to an invitation using the new iPhone app or on the web without needing an iCloud+ subscription or an Apple Account Sounds like there’s no Apple walled garden lock-in for recipients of the Invites? Only for creating/managing them?

But lots of features are likely to be unavailable to invitees (indeed the article specifically mentions a couple) without Apple devices. Apple loves to use network effects to make people with Android phones feel like outsiders.

It’s a calendar invite on a web page that links to a shared photo album viewable on the web along with a linked playlist… nothing locked down here

Re: Apple Invites

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Post by klabb3 »

aidenn0 wrote: post #566
alistairSH wrote: post #514

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From the article… Guests can view and respond to an invitation using the new iPhone app or on the web without needing an iCloud+ subscription or an Apple Account Sounds like there’s no Apple walled garden lock-in for recipients of the Invites? Only for creating/managing them?

But lots of features are likely to be unavailable to invitees (indeed the article specifically mentions a couple) without Apple devices. Apple loves to use network effects to make people with Android phones feel like outsiders.

Yes. Exhibit A: the infamous green bubble stigma (US phenomenon only).

Also, Apple should not be in the business of making social apps. Hardware and OS is plenty lock-in aka fiefdoms as it is.

Re: Apple Invites

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Post by newsclues »

paulryanrogers wrote: post #589
basisword wrote: post #546

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Just a tip but sometimes it’s good to read the article before commenting. The app allows iPhone users to create an event. Anybody on any device or browser can RSVP. The event can be shared as a link. Making an event invite app that only works for users on one platform would be pointless. Also - non-Apple users have been able to join FaceTime calls via. A link for several years.

> Also - non-Apple users have been able to join FaceTime calls via. A link for several years. Is the quality the same or even close? Is it easy and obvious how to share such links?

https://support.apple.com/en-ca/109364

Re: Apple Invites

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Post by sfRattan »

Schiendelman wrote: post #578
sfRattan wrote: post #531

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If anything their trick is in how they describe the storage tiers on their website[1]: > $0.99/mo for 50GB: Storage for thousands of photos, videos, and files. > $2.99/mo for 200GB: Great for family sharing or larger media libraries. > $9.99/mo for 2TB: Plenty of space for all the family’s photos, videos, and files. Other than the $0.99 tier, these storage numbers are comically low for the uses cases Apple describes…

I did professional photography on the side for the better part of a decade before needing to go above 2TB. You don't have to hoard.

I agree on photos, but when I hear "larger media library" I assume we're talking video content, both family videos taken on phones and commercial media (TV and Movies). Maybe I'm misreading but either 200GB or 2TB are both very small for a whole family's collection of video media.

Re: Apple Invites

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Post by Jcowell »

kittikitti wrote: post #134
dewey wrote: post #85

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It’s based on the new GroupKit API, which sounds like something that would be available to other apps in the future. Otherwise it would just use some private API.

You're being disingenuous, or you're incompetent, if you think Apple isn't going to keep this API in their closed garden.

I thought because of the EU they have to make these private APIs public?

Re: Apple Invites

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Post by NotYourLawyer »

outcoldman wrote: post #549
basisword wrote: post #546

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just a tip but sometimes it’s good to read the article before commenting. The app allows iPhone users to create an event. Anybody on any device or browser can RSVP. The event can be shared as a link. Making an event invite app that only works for users on one platform would be pointless. Also - non-Apple users have been able to join FaceTime calls via. A link for several years.

Yes, but. Most of the invited folks might have an AppleID associated with their email, that they have not used for years. And invite will ask to enter the password if you have an AppleID associated.

This is a made up problem with a trivial solution.

Re: Apple Invites

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Post by codetrotter »

paulryanrogers wrote: post #589
basisword wrote: post #546

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just a tip but sometimes it’s good to read the article before commenting. The app allows iPhone users to create an event. Anybody on any device or browser can RSVP. The event can be shared as a link. Making an event invite app that only works for users on one platform would be pointless. Also - non-Apple users have been able to join FaceTime calls via. A link for several years.

> Also - non-Apple users have been able to join FaceTime calls via. A link for several years. Is the quality the same or even close? Is it easy and obvious how to share such links?

> Is it easy and obvious how to share such links?

I barely ever FaceTime anyone. Just now after reading your comment I opened the FaceTime app. It has two big buttons:

- Create Link

- New FaceTime

And it showed a balloon tip under create link that said:

“Invite Anyone to a Call Friends with Android and Windows devices can join a FaceTime call if you share a link.”

So yes, seems they actually made it about as obvious as it can be. Maybe even more.

Re: Apple Invites

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Post by oneplane »

dimator wrote: post #467
zie wrote: post #456

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RCS is not really an open standard though. If you want encrypted RCS with android phones, you can't unless Google lets you. At least that was true last I checked. I'm guessing it hasn't changed.

Are you saying if Apple asked Google to sit down and come up with an encrypted RCS working group and get proper interop done, it would be _Google_ that would decline?

Google was already asked and they said no. They want to keep their non-standard RCS, both server-side and client-side and will not share it.

Or more specifically: it's a different product ("Google Messages") that just happens to be based on RCS.

They do have some partnerships with hardware manufacturers that ship Play on their devices, and they will preload Google Messages in there as well.

In essence, it doesn't exist in AOSP, and doesn't really live side-by-side with a normal messaging app (i.e. one that only does baseband native messaging), I wouldn't be surprised if the partnerships and preloading conditions state the manufacturer can't ship their own version (I think at least Samsung had to drop their own "Samsung Messages" app as reported in one of the reviews of a foldable display phone).

In a way, RCS made no difference, and whatever Google did was mostly just to compete with Meta (both FB Messenger and WhatsApp). Fun fact: Google Messages is closer to Matrix than it is to iMessage in terms of comparable technical features.

Re: Apple Invites

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Post by somethingsidont »

basisword wrote: post #546
lordofgibbons wrote: post #362

I really hope this fails. Apple will use it's dominant position to create lock in like how they did with iMessage instead of cooperating with other platforms on a common standard. Oder friends and family are surprised when they want to video call over Facetime and find it hard to believe other people's phones don't have Apple apps.

Just a tip but sometimes it’s good to read the article before commenting. The app allows iPhone users to create an event. Anybody on any device or browser can RSVP. The event can be shared as a link. Making an event invite app that only works for users on one platform would be pointless. Also - non-Apple users have been able to join FaceTime calls via. A link for several years.

"With Apple Invites, users can create and easily share invitations, RSVP, contribute to Shared Albums, and engage with Apple Music playlists."

Correct me if I'm wrong:

- create & share invitations: must have iCloud+

- iCloud shared albums: barebones upload/download on non-Apple devices

- apple music: cross-platform, must be subscribed

- RSVP: cross-platform (Apple account req'd)

So yes, it "works" outside the Apple ecosystem, but missing features to encourage lock-in.

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