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Re: Apple Invites

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Post by Retric »

chippiewill wrote: post #441
yumraj wrote: post #437

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But isn’t that the same when people and schools create effing Facebook groups and events or whatever they are called and find it hard to believe that people don’t use that crap. Or create WhatsApp groups and communities and so on and on.

Yes, but at least those don't have hardware lock-in.

You only need an iCloud+ account not an Apple device.

Thus there’s zero hardware lock-in, an Android user could send invites. Though obviously iCloud is more appealing if you’re part of there ecosystem, you can just use it for file storage etc.

Re: Apple Invites

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Post by dvngnt_ »

echelon wrote: post #334
svnt wrote: post #325

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How is it funded? That is your answer.

Not everything is in the position or can afford to transitionally tax the whole of the internet itself like big tech. You're paying for Apple Invites whether you realize it or not. There's immense value in making their platform more sticky. In a few years you'll read articles about uncool Android kids not getting invited to parties. And that's your answer. One of these behaviors is way more insidious.

This already happens. My adult friend group has to create a separate group chat for me and another friends and we get the invite after the main group.

partiful was actually a decent solution but they just got sherlocked

Re: Apple Invites

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Post by throwaway2037 »

lordofgibbons wrote: post #362

I really hope this fails. Apple will use it's dominant position to create lock in like how they did with iMessage instead of cooperating with other platforms on a common standard. Oder friends and family are surprised when they want to video call over Facetime and find it hard to believe other people's phones don't have Apple apps.

    > create lock in like how they did with iMessage instead of cooperating with other platforms on a common standard
I'm confused by this complaint. Do you say the same for other popular (and closed ecosystem) messaging apps, such as WhatsApp (big in US/EU), Line (big in Japan), WeChat (big in China), and Kakao (big in Korea)? What is the financial incentive for any of these platforms, including Apple's iMessage, to open their ecosystem?

Re: Apple Invites

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Post by Aloisius »

flutas wrote: post #440
astrange wrote: post #388

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That should work now because of RCS. Email is secure enough though. People make up security rules in their heads all the time, doesn't mean it's true.

Tbh Apple's RCS implementation is so buggy it almost has me on the "they added bugs to keep people off of it" conspiracy train. As in, during a conversation my phone would send RCS and the iPhone would reply with SMS only. This has happened multiple times with multiple people, and some where RCS won't let us communicate - the messages just disappear into the void, but only when sent from the iPhone. https://i.imgur.c…

This happens in Android to Android too, especially with Samsung Messages.

A lot of carrier's RCS implementations are buggy.

Re: Apple Invites

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Post by [deleted] »

throwaway2037 wrote: post #573
lordofgibbons wrote: post #362

I really hope this fails. Apple will use it's dominant position to create lock in like how they did with iMessage instead of cooperating with other platforms on a common standard. Oder friends and family are surprised when they want to video call over Facetime and find it hard to believe other people's phones don't have Apple apps.

> create lock in like how they did with iMessage instead of cooperating with other platforms on a common standard I'm confused by this complaint. Do you say the same for other popular (and closed ecosystem) messaging apps, such as WhatsApp (big in US/EU), Line (big in Japan), WeChat (big in China), and Kakao (big in Korea)? What is the financial incentive for any of these platforms, including Apple's iMessage, to ope…

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Re: Apple Invites

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Post by gjsman-1000 »

throwaway2037 wrote: post #573
lordofgibbons wrote: post #362

I really hope this fails. Apple will use it's dominant position to create lock in like how they did with iMessage instead of cooperating with other platforms on a common standard. Oder friends and family are surprised when they want to video call over Facetime and find it hard to believe other people's phones don't have Apple apps.

> create lock in like how they did with iMessage instead of cooperating with other platforms on a common standard I'm confused by this complaint. Do you say the same for other popular (and closed ecosystem) messaging apps, such as WhatsApp (big in US/EU), Line (big in Japan), WeChat (big in China), and Kakao (big in Korea)? What is the financial incentive for any of these platforms, including Apple's iMessage, to ope…

Because darn it, it isn’t on Android. That’s literally it.

Re: Apple Invites

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Post by notirk »

Schiendelman wrote: post #565
NoPicklez wrote: post #453

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I'm an Apple guy and I have to disagree, it's not the Telco's. Android implemented RCS and Apple dragged their feet in implementing the standardised platform such that high quality messaging was seamless and agnostic between brands The iPhone needed to reduce the quality of pics/videos to non-iMessage recipients because Apple didn't support any other form of non-iMessage messaging.

Have you tried using RCS when you're used to iMessage? It's terrible . Constant failures, weird behavior when changing towers between telcos - not to mention what happens when traveling internationally, where RCS turns on, off, on, off... for a day after arrival. And of course there's no encryption standard.

I haven't had those problems with RCS on my Android phone over the last few years of using it.

But yes, the lack of encryption (outside of Google's tacked on version) is a problem.

Re: Apple Invites

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Post by Schiendelman »

sfRattan wrote: post #531
crazygringo wrote: post #501

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You have to explicitly upgrade. There's no trick as far as I can tell. And they haven't increased the price of the $0.99 tier ever, and it's been around for 8 years I think. I don't think they've ever increased the price of any storage plan in the US ever -- prices in other countries have changed but that seems to do more with currency fluctuations. Apple is known for their transparent pricing and easy cancellation.…

If anything their trick is in how they describe the storage tiers on their website[1]: > $0.99/mo for 50GB: Storage for thousands of photos, videos, and files. > $2.99/mo for 200GB: Great for family sharing or larger media libraries. > $9.99/mo for 2TB: Plenty of space for all the family’s photos, videos, and files. Other than the $0.99 tier, these storage numbers are comically low for the uses cases Apple describes…

I did professional photography on the side for the better part of a decade before needing to go above 2TB. You don't have to hoard.

Re: Apple Invites

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Post by EasyMark »

lordofgibbons wrote: post #362

I really hope this fails. Apple will use it's dominant position to create lock in like how they did with iMessage instead of cooperating with other platforms on a common standard. Oder friends and family are surprised when they want to video call over Facetime and find it hard to believe other people's phones don't have Apple apps.

I agree, if they would have made a serviceable app for android then this might not be a bad option, but as it is SMS/RCS/whatsapp will have to suffice

Re: Apple Invites

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Post by Schiendelman »

notirk wrote: post #577
Schiendelman wrote: post #565

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you tried using RCS when you're used to iMessage? It's terrible . Constant failures, weird behavior when changing towers between telcos - not to mention what happens when traveling internationally, where RCS turns on, off, on, off... for a day after arrival. And of course there's no encryption standard.

I haven't had those problems with RCS on my Android phone over the last few years of using it. But yes, the lack of encryption (outside of Google's tacked on version) is a problem.

Google is going outside the standard to prop you up on their phones. Apple can't do that and remain compliant with the standard.
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