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Re: Apple Invites

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Apple has lost its way. Who is this for?

For people who have enough drive to plan an event, but not enough drive to use a real photograph for the invite instead of GenAI.

I’ve seen a few comments like this and I’m wondering why they’re being made. Maybe you can tell me?

The first image on the press release is a real photo.

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#522

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Currently Partiful doesn't generate revenue, which is evidence for its quality. As soon as the purse strings get attached, it'll be time to get out. But for now, it's an excellent service.

This tracks so well as an indicator, with many other products. As soon as the company starts making money, their product is going to become awful and it's time to find an alternative. Why can't tech escape this cycle?

Because there’s always someone willing to lose money by offering a free product without the undesirable stuff in the hope that they can acquire customers to mine for cash later

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Blame the telcos for the relative poor quality of text message multimedia (via MMS). The telcos specify the size limits of MMS messages. iMessage has much higher limits in most cases, so iPhone has to use reduce the quality of the pics/videos to reach the lower size limits for sending to non-iMessage recipients. For the telcos, why would they upgrade their size limits for MMS - it's just a cost centre for them. They…

I'm an Apple guy and I have to disagree, it's not the Telco's. Android implemented RCS and Apple dragged their feet in implementing the standardised platform such that high quality messaging was seamless and agnostic between brands The iPhone needed to reduce the quality of pics/videos to non-iMessage recipients because Apple didn't support any other form of non-iMessage messaging.

iPhone, for non-iMessage recipients, was limited by MMS limits.

Who sets the MMS limits? the telcos - actually min(both ends), the iPhone sender's telco and the recipient's telco.

iMessage was introduced in 2011. see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMessage

Google announced RCS support for Google Messages in 2019. from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rich_Communication_Services

    "In June 2019, Google announced that it would begin to deploy RCS on an opt-in basis via the Messages app, with service compliant with the Universal Profile and hosted by Google (i.e. Jibe) rather than the user's carrier, if the carrier does not provide RCS."
Before 2019, Android users depended on their telco to support RCS. The RCS wikipedia article talks about Samsung support for RCS in USA in 2015 and Android Lollipop OS users getting RCS support - but they still needed telco support.

Re: Apple Invites

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From the article… Guests can view and respond to an invitation using the new iPhone app or on the web without needing an iCloud+ subscription or an Apple Account Sounds like there’s no Apple walled garden lock-in for recipients of the Invites? Only for creating/managing them?

Just creating them. You have to have an iCloud+ subscription to be able to create them. Anyone can RSVP. When I think of people I know who have iCloud+ subscriptions, it's mostly people who thought they needed them because of the scary notifications their phones sent them about running out of their initial 5GB of storage (which of course is not enough for any modern phone). These are not people who are going to downl…

Siri, what is selection bias?

Re: Apple Invites

#525
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But isn’t that the same when people and schools create effing Facebook groups and events or whatever they are called and find it hard to believe that people don’t use that crap. Or create WhatsApp groups and communities and so on and on.

Yes, but at least those don't have hardware lock-in.

No one other than the organizer needs anything Apple.

Re: Apple Invites

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who are you trying to convince? nobody in the know thinks this is a google problem, the facts are pretty obvious

Google totally controls that ability. Apple is not any better here, but it's weird to call out Apple as being the only meanie here, when both Apple and Google are equally terrible when it comes to cross-platform e2e messaging. Thankfully we have Signal, which solves the problem better than either platform option.

Not to say Signal is worse than either option, because it's not, but they really hampered adoption by removing SMS (at least in NA).

I have almost no way to convince anyone other than people very close to me to use it due to the (lack) of network effect. If they could just use it instead of the default messenger then it's a dramatically easier sell.

Obviously it's up to the Signal Foundation about the direction they take but I don't know if I've seen anyone agree with the justifications.

Google and Apple wrap up their locked down BS with SMS for the same reason. It's by default free of network effect but passively pulls people in.

Re: Apple Invites

#527

Even though "... anyone can RSVP, regardless of whether they have an Apple Account or Apple device" I think this being an Apple branded service is going to make this appear exclusionary and will mean some people won't participate even if they could. I see the same risk involved with Apple TV's branding; Apple TV works great on Xbox, on NVIDIA Shield and on PC. I'm sure though there are a lot of people who just decide…

Software engineer here with an android phone. I've never bothered to look into Apple TV because I assumed it'd only be available on Apple devices. Similarly, I saw this post and thought there may be a reason for me to get an iPhone now as I assumed this would be available on apple devices only.

There's a dedicated physical button for it on the Roku remote. Kind of hard to miss.

Re: Apple Invites

#528
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the iBrand hasn't done a good job of explaining that no apple hardware product has to be bought, to sign up to this cloud. In some ways, "Cloud, by Apple" would have been better because it could have had a subsidiary tagline 'open to anyone' -where iPhone, iPad are pretty solidly walled garden devices. I'm not in marketing. I am sure smart marketing people would point out downsides. I just think iCloud "says" -not fo…

Even if some iCloud+ things could work without any Apple devices, I'm not sure why anyone would want it. Most of them only get value from the integration (like hide my email, storage space, etc).

Yes. I think thats true but possibly a result of the strategy to make it compelling to move into the ecology. "Brought to you by apple" would be more openly "meh, you can make other choices" -Apple TV for instance, drives fine through devices able to do the API calls with apple approved client software, its not "sorry go buy an Apple TV" only.

Apple don't sell the Roku or Chromecast devices, basically. So, for Apple TV it's clear you don't have to be iFriendly only.

Probably I'm seduced by how amazingly cheap 1TB of Apple cloud is, compared to the others. Its a LOT cheaper than Google 1 or Microsoft's offering, discounting all the other side benefits.

Re: Apple Invites

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But isn’t that the same when people and schools create effing Facebook groups and events or whatever they are called and find it hard to believe that people don’t use that crap. Or create WhatsApp groups and communities and so on and on.

It's the same. They are all walled gardens (whether hardware walled gardens or software walled gardens)

As much I deeply dislike Meta, it's not the same. I can simply open the Play store install facebook or Instagram. For the Apple walled garden, I need to spend $800+ USD

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iMessage has been compatible with RCS for months now.

Except if you’re on Google Fi, right? https://isgooglefircsyet.com/

That is ironic, given how the whole push to get Apple to support RCS came from google in the first place. They had that website with the open letter to try and tell Apple that supporting RCS was in everyone’s best interest and would enable Apple and Android users to be on even footing, etc etc.

But then oops, turns out Google’s on wireless service doesn’t even support it. Maybe google didn’t think Apple would call their bluff?

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