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Microsoft cracking down people upgrading to Windows 11 on unsupported hardware

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Re: Microsoft cracking down people upgrading to Windows 11 on unsupported hardware

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I'm surprised that anyone is upgrading older hardware to Windows 11 in the first place. It's shocking how many performance issues I've come across. Explorer bogs regularly. I can't game and stream a video anymore due to some rendering change that was made in Win 11 (I forget the details).

IIRC it's because when Windows 11 detects a game running, it basically deprioritizes other process (like web browsers running streams or videos) which causes the lag you see

Re: Microsoft cracking down people upgrading to Windows 11 on unsupported hardware

#72

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Most games "just work" at this point because of how well Proton works: https://www.protondb.com/ The biggest issue is certain DRMs aren't supported in Linux yet, but others are, so it's just game dependent. I mostly play single-player, but the multiplayer games I do play work fine. I don't have Windows on any machines at this point. I've converted everything to Fedora Silverblue and it's fantastic.

Hmmmmm. More than a few titles from my Steam library in there. What do you do graphics card-wise?

I have a Steam Deck for my main gaming machine (SteamOS), my laptop is a Framework 13 (AMD), and I have a gaming VM (connected to the TV in my living room) that's running an old GTX 1070 (both Fedora Silverblue).

Re: Microsoft cracking down people upgrading to Windows 11 on unsupported hardware

#73
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Does VS studio work fine too?

MS is treating you so badly that you want to switch to Linux, but you still want to use Visual Studio? Hmmm

Perhaps the OP needs it for work?

Re: Microsoft cracking down people upgrading to Windows 11 on unsupported hardware

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What's your CPU? My math may be wrong, but the minimum Intel CPU supported is 8th gen, which started coming out about 8 years ago.

+1 to being really really sceptical of anyone claiming to have a 10 year old system that supports it. Skylake is literally well known for not supporting TPM 2.0 and the i7-6700K is still considered reasonably high end by todays standards (tech hasn't moved fast in the past decade and the 14nm Skylakes aren't that far off the 14nm+++++ high end variants Intel sells today). The first draft of TPM 2.0 was 2015. The fina…

Intel PTT was introduced in some 4th generation CPUs in 2013, I don't know where people get 8th generation from.

And yes, it does not support TPM 2.0. Luckily Windows 11 only actually requires TPM version 1.2 (even if Microsoft claims that it's not recommended): https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/ways-to-install-...

(I'm not seeing any "nags" anywhere, I don't know where that would be?)

Edit: I just noticed that that page is the same that was linked from the article. Yet it still contains the block that the article claims has been removed. Did they put it back in again?

Edit 2: Or I do have TPM 2.0? It seems to think that I do:

* https://i.imgur.com/03hTtsd.png

* https://i.imgur.com/gA7q7xf.png

Re: Microsoft cracking down people upgrading to Windows 11 on unsupported hardware

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Playing PC games on Linux through Steam is pretty decent, if imperfect, setup these days. But I still get tripped up when it comes to the non-PC game stuff. Such as mods, streaming from other platforms (playing my PS5 on my PC), or other community tools that have a tendency to be Windows-focused. I still haven't been able to pull the trigger on running Linux on my main desktop.

> Such as mods, streaming from other platforms (playing my PS5 on my PC), or other community tools that have a tendency to be Windows-focused. I have not done mods in a while, but I could have sworn it was as easy as adding it to Steam too, and it detected the game in its "wine" directory. Or something like that? I'm not too sure...

The games themselves run perfectly fine in Wine (Proton), with or without mods. Unfortunately, the fan-made tools to support mods are less reliable.

The most notable example is probably Wabbajack, a tool that manages modpacks for many games but is best known for TES games, where modlists consist of hundreds of mods and are a pain to manually install. Ironically it is a WPF app written in modern C#, so in principle _could_ run under Wine just fine, and could even be ported to a native GUI app via Avalonia UI or similar.

Unfortunately, it is apparently quite fragile in its path management and relies on both Edge WebView to download mods and Windows Steam to install them, so the maintainers think it's not viable to make it run under Wine [0], although of course someone has bashed together a script to work around it [1]. That last one is quite recent so I just discovered it while writing this post!

[0] https://github.com/wabbajack-tools/wabbajack/issues/2521

[1] https://github.com/Omni-guides/Wabbajack-Modlist-Linux/blob/...

Re: Microsoft cracking down people upgrading to Windows 11 on unsupported hardware

#76
Windows really is a quite horrible experience these days. Recently received a new workstation at work and it came with windows.

I just wanted to check if it worked and had the correct configuration before wiping the disks and installing linux. But theres no obvious way to even get to the Desktop without signing in with a MS account. Had to install Linux without properly booting Windows, oh well.

Re: Microsoft cracking down people upgrading to Windows 11 on unsupported hardware

#77
post #20

Nothing like alienating your most knowledgeable user base. In the early days (MS-DOS), these are the people who helped Microsoft get to where they are now. So by alienating them, they are probably steering the "unwashed" masses to alternate environments, ie: Linux, MACs and even *BSD Good job Microsoft in helping out your competitors.

I jumped ship when Windows 8 was introduced, never looked back.

Re: Microsoft cracking down people upgrading to Windows 11 on unsupported hardware

#78
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W11 IoT does not require TPM https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/iot/iot-enterprise...

Is Windows 11 IoT a functional equivalent to the "real" Windows 11 for a PC?

It very much is, it just doesn't have the microsoft store installed by default.

Re: Microsoft cracking down people upgrading to Windows 11 on unsupported hardware

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How old is your PC? My 10 years old laptop has a TPM built into the CPU (Intel PTT), which Windows 11 is perfectly happy about once I figured out how to enable it in the boot options.

What's your CPU? My math may be wrong, but the minimum Intel CPU supported is 8th gen, which started coming out about 8 years ago.

It says it's an Intel Core i7-6700HQ

* https://i.imgur.com/03hTtsd.png

* https://i.imgur.com/gA7q7xf.png

The PC Health check app says it's not supported, but the installer doesn't complain. I don't know if it would have allowed me to update automatically, but it works when using the ISO.

Re: Microsoft cracking down people upgrading to Windows 11 on unsupported hardware

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+1 to being really really sceptical of anyone claiming to have a 10 year old system that supports it. Skylake is literally well known for not supporting TPM 2.0 and the i7-6700K is still considered reasonably high end by todays standards (tech hasn't moved fast in the past decade and the 14nm Skylakes aren't that far off the 14nm+++++ high end variants Intel sells today). The first draft of TPM 2.0 was 2015. The fina…

Intel PTT was introduced in some 4th generation CPUs in 2013, I don't know where people get 8th generation from. And yes, it does not support TPM 2.0. Luckily Windows 11 only actually requires TPM version 1.2 (even if Microsoft claims that it's not recommended): https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/ways-to-install-... (I'm not seeing any "nags" anywhere, I don't know where that would be?) Edit: I just noticed…

That looks consistent with an unsupported version of TPM (it states 1.16) and many others have reported that cpu doesn’t support TPM 2.0.

Qq do you actually have windows 11 installed. Your original post implied you had yet TPM 1.16 is below even the TPM 1.2 version allowed.

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