As someone who owns a machine which gets reminders to update to Windows 11 despite not being allowed to, the whole thing is bizarre. There's no cited explanation for the TPM "requirement", and it's obviously not a requirement since you can turn it off. It makes me very suspicious that there's some ulterior motive.
Microsoft cracking down people upgrading to Windows 11 on unsupported hardware
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Re: Microsoft cracking down people upgrading to Windows 11 on unsupported hardware
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You can still game on Linux, Steam is phenomenal. ;) I havent gone back to Windows.
What do you find yourself playing on there? Is it something that can be done with any distro, or is it something that some are more suited to?
Most games "just work" at this point because of how well Proton works: https://www.protondb.com/
The biggest issue is certain DRMs aren't supported in Linux yet, but others are, so it's just game dependent. I mostly play single-player, but the multiplayer games I do play work fine.
I don't have Windows on any machines at this point. I've converted everything to Fedora Silverblue and it's fantastic.
Re: Microsoft cracking down people upgrading to Windows 11 on unsupported hardware
#13W11 IoT does not require TPM
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/iot/iot-enterprise...
Re: Microsoft cracking down people upgrading to Windows 11 on unsupported hardware
#14I built my own PC years ago and it came without a tpm so I can't upgrade. The motherboard does have the plug for a tpm so I bought a cheap one and tried plugging it in. Windows still doesn't recognize it. I did my best but the obsoleting Microsoft is doing here is heavy handed
Re: Microsoft cracking down people upgrading to Windows 11 on unsupported hardware
#15Earlier quoted context omitted.
You can still game on Linux, Steam is phenomenal. ;) I havent gone back to Windows.
What do you find yourself playing on there? Is it something that can be done with any distro, or is it something that some are more suited to?
https://www.protondb.com/
This lists the compatibility of most games on steam with Linux - you just need to enable proton in steam and you're good to go.
Any distro should work - distros really don't matter (or if they actually do for you, you're computer-literate enough to not need to ask)
Re: Microsoft cracking down people upgrading to Windows 11 on unsupported hardware
#16Earlier quoted context omitted.
You can still game on Linux, Steam is phenomenal. ;) I havent gone back to Windows.
What do you find yourself playing on there? Is it something that can be done with any distro, or is it something that some are more suited to?
https://protondb.com is a community run database of game support on Linux. Nearly everything modern is supported, and with older games I have found Proton to actually work better than modern windows with some games. Furthermore, games like OpenTTD and OpenRA bring classic games natively to Linux for free. Distro wise, pretty much any of the major ones will work fine for gaming, though it seems Pop_OS is trendy for Vidya. Valve is about to (maybe they already have) release it's modified version of Arch called SteamOS for public use.
Re: Microsoft cracking down people upgrading to Windows 11 on unsupported hardware
#17I'm surprised that anyone is upgrading older hardware to Windows 11 in the first place. It's shocking how many performance issues I've come across. Explorer bogs regularly. I can't game and stream a video anymore due to some rendering change that was made in Win 11 (I forget the details).
Older hardware isn't always slower hardware.
Intel 6950X is unsupported. That's 10 cores at 3.5GHz. It's about 10x faster multicore and 2x faster single-core than a modern, supported Intel Celeron N4500.
Moore-style scaling where chips are faster (rather than just denser) ran out a while back. Expensive computers from a decade back beat cheap computers of today. A modern 20-core PC is perhaps 1/10th the CPU cost as compared to when the 6950x came out, but not a lot faster.
If that 6950x was maxed out to 128GB RAM and set up with a decent GPU, it can be a very good system.
That's among the oldest processors not supported, but many computers with somewhat newer CPUs don't work either due to motherboard / BIOS issues.
Re: Microsoft cracking down people upgrading to Windows 11 on unsupported hardware
#18Earlier quoted context omitted.
You can still game on Linux, Steam is phenomenal. ;) I havent gone back to Windows.
What do you find yourself playing on there? Is it something that can be done with any distro, or is it something that some are more suited to?
Haven't played in ages, but I used to play Dirt Rally, torchlight, victor vran and about 20 other games.
A few of the far cry games worked as well.
Re: Microsoft cracking down people upgrading to Windows 11 on unsupported hardware
#19I built my own PC years ago and it came without a tpm so I can't upgrade. The motherboard does have the plug for a tpm so I bought a cheap one and tried plugging it in. Windows still doesn't recognize it. I did my best but the obsoleting Microsoft is doing here is heavy handed
How old is your PC? My 10 years old laptop has a TPM built into the CPU (Intel PTT), which Windows 11 is perfectly happy about once I figured out how to enable it in the boot options.
Re: Microsoft cracking down people upgrading to Windows 11 on unsupported hardware
#20Nothing like alienating your most knowledgeable user base. In the early days (MS-DOS), these are the people who helped Microsoft get to where they are now.
So by alienating them, they are probably steering the "unwashed" masses to alternate environments, ie: Linux, MACs and even *BSD
Good job Microsoft in helping out your competitors.