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Microsoft cracking down people upgrading to Windows 11 on unsupported hardware

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Re: Microsoft cracking down people upgrading to Windows 11 on unsupported hardware

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Post by bsimpson »

malmz wrote: post #45
jdoe1337halo wrote: post #36

SteamOS cannot come to PC soon enough

You can run SteamOS on a PC, it's just a linux distribution

You can run Steam Big Picture Mode on Linux, which gives you the UI of SteamOS. You can also run Bazzite, which does this by default and is close enough for many people.

The actual image that gets shipped on the Steam Deck is available in bits and pieces as git tags in Valve's clandestine repos, but isn't yet being distributed for other devices. That is changing this spring, when they start supporting other vendors.

Re: Microsoft cracking down people upgrading to Windows 11 on unsupported hardware

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Post by robrtsql »

Pooge wrote: post #38
robrtsql wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps you included this in your DRM comment, but I think the biggest issue is anti-cheat. Most online games with a sufficiently large 'competitive' element require a kernel-level anti-cheat which won't work on Linux.

EAC works. Not sure about BattlEye. Vanguard doesn't work, and perhaps that's for the best.

My understanding was that EAC works in userspace mode on Linux, instead of at the kernel level. So, you can enable it, and it'll block the most easily detectable of cheats, but it's not very hard to bypass.

Then again, kernel-level anti-cheat is not that hard to bypass with special hardware, either. I guess someone ran the numbers and decided that blocking some percentage of cheaters at the cost of blocking 100% of Linux users was a worthwhile trade.

Re: Microsoft cracking down people upgrading to Windows 11 on unsupported hardware

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Post by yoyohello13 »

blibble wrote: post #43
yoyohello13 wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

File explorer take 2 seconds to load for me, FILE EXPLORER! It should be milliseconds. Microsoft engineers are asleep at the wheel. Edit: This is on a brand-new workstation BTW

just buy a new PC one that just happens to come with another windows license...

This is a brand-new workstation provided by my job. Apparently, it's a known issue because it does some async network calls that block startup.

Re: Microsoft cracking down people upgrading to Windows 11 on unsupported hardware

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Post by sebazzz »

sour-taste wrote: post #14

I built my own PC years ago and it came without a tpm so I can't upgrade. The motherboard does have the plug for a tpm so I bought a cheap one and tried plugging it in. Windows still doesn't recognize it. I did my best but the obsoleting Microsoft is doing here is heavy handed

You still need to enable the dTPM in the BIOS. It is not like a USB device which is plug-and-play.

Re: Microsoft cracking down people upgrading to Windows 11 on unsupported hardware

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Post by giancarlostoro »

Goronmon wrote: post #23
giancarlostoro wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can still game on Linux, Steam is phenomenal. ;) I havent gone back to Windows.

Playing PC games on Linux through Steam is pretty decent, if imperfect, setup these days. But I still get tripped up when it comes to the non-PC game stuff. Such as mods, streaming from other platforms (playing my PS5 on my PC), or other community tools that have a tendency to be Windows-focused. I still haven't been able to pull the trigger on running Linux on my main desktop.

> Such as mods, streaming from other platforms (playing my PS5 on my PC), or other community tools that have a tendency to be Windows-focused.

I have not done mods in a while, but I could have sworn it was as easy as adding it to Steam too, and it detected the game in its "wine" directory. Or something like that? I'm not too sure...

Re: Microsoft cracking down people upgrading to Windows 11 on unsupported hardware

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Post by giancarlostoro »

lenerdenator wrote: post #7
giancarlostoro wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can still game on Linux, Steam is phenomenal. ;) I havent gone back to Windows.

What do you find yourself playing on there? Is it something that can be done with any distro, or is it something that some are more suited to?

I've played on Ubuntu / POP_OS! and I've played on Arch, I haven't tried other distros, but anyone else who has Linux and Steam has shared a similar experience with me.

I play all the Bethesda RPG games (TES, Fallout, and now Starfield) I even play online games with friends. Proton does a fantastic job, I think Rust, which I don't play anyway is one game you can't play on Linux due to them not adding support, which its not even an immense effort to support Linux with Proton, you include a DLL if I'm not mistaken.

I've played CyberPunk and other key games as well. Some games on launch are iffy, but after a few updates, they work flawlessly. Like Starfield was almost non-functional on Linux for me, then after a few updates it played flawlessly.

Re: Microsoft cracking down people upgrading to Windows 11 on unsupported hardware

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Post by lenerdenator »

oaththrowaway wrote: post #12
lenerdenator wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you find yourself playing on there? Is it something that can be done with any distro, or is it something that some are more suited to?

Most games "just work" at this point because of how well Proton works: https://www.protondb.com/ The biggest issue is certain DRMs aren't supported in Linux yet, but others are, so it's just game dependent. I mostly play single-player, but the multiplayer games I do play work fine. I don't have Windows on any machines at this point. I've converted everything to Fedora Silverblue and it's fantastic.

Hmmmmm. More than a few titles from my Steam library in there.

What do you do graphics card-wise?

Re: Microsoft cracking down people upgrading to Windows 11 on unsupported hardware

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Post by ohm »

toast0 wrote: post #58
AnotherGoodName wrote: post #24

I really have no choice but to install Linux now. The nag screens in Windows 10 are already getting unbearable. The over 5 year old system is still running games at high detail just fine (3950x CPU, 2080 GPU, 32Gb ram running at 2k resolution). TPM 2.0 was finalized in Nov 2019 after the above system was built. Hardware isn't progressing that quickly anymore which makes a hardware requirement like TPM 2.0 very arbitr…

> A bit like when MS bought Skype and moved it from peer to peer voice to a central server based system with no monetary gain from doing that, someone obviously decided that needed to be done. This one is less nefarious, IMHO. Sure, a central server makes it easier to snoop. But, it also meant you could reliably get messages sent while you were offline. Skype had been built around desktops with consistent connections…

https://slate.com/technology/2013/07/skype-surveillance-a-ti...

Re: Microsoft cracking down people upgrading to Windows 11 on unsupported hardware

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Post by ginko »

michaelmrose wrote: post #60
pjc50 wrote: post #11

As someone who owns a machine which gets reminders to update to Windows 11 despite not being allowed to, the whole thing is bizarre. There's no cited explanation for the TPM "requirement", and it's obviously not a requirement since you can turn it off. It makes me very suspicious that there's some ulterior motive.

One of the goals of "trusted computing" was supposed to be remote attestation. This was to be a secure unfalsifiable attestation to server that the client computer was running a secure environment that didn't allow bypassing restrictions. EG in the best of all possible worlds for Microsoft your work, your bank, and Netflix would all refuse to run if you weren't running Microsoft. Realistically Mac is way to big to ig…

>EG in the best of all possible worlds for Microsoft your work, your bank, and Netflix would all refuse to run if you weren't running Microsoft

That would be the worst of all possible worlds. It's literally evil.

Re: Microsoft cracking down people upgrading to Windows 11 on unsupported hardware

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Post by AtlasBarfed »

jmclnx wrote: post #20

Nothing like alienating your most knowledgeable user base. In the early days (MS-DOS), these are the people who helped Microsoft get to where they are now. So by alienating them, they are probably steering the "unwashed" masses to alternate environments, ie: Linux, MACs and even *BSD Good job Microsoft in helping out your competitors.

Don't worry, desktop Linux is still going to drop the ball on this opportunity.

I see OSX is the bigger beneficiary.

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