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Microsoft cracking down people upgrading to Windows 11 on unsupported hardware

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Re: Microsoft cracking down people upgrading to Windows 11 on unsupported hardware

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As someone who owns a machine which gets reminders to update to Windows 11 despite not being allowed to, the whole thing is bizarre. There's no cited explanation for the TPM "requirement", and it's obviously not a requirement since you can turn it off. It makes me very suspicious that there's some ulterior motive.

TPM is used for BitLocker.

Can be used?

Re: Microsoft cracking down people upgrading to Windows 11 on unsupported hardware

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I'm surprised that anyone is upgrading older hardware to Windows 11 in the first place. It's shocking how many performance issues I've come across. Explorer bogs regularly. I can't game and stream a video anymore due to some rendering change that was made in Win 11 (I forget the details).

File explorer take 2 seconds to load for me, FILE EXPLORER! It should be milliseconds. Microsoft engineers are asleep at the wheel.

Edit: This is on a brand-new workstation BTW

Re: Microsoft cracking down people upgrading to Windows 11 on unsupported hardware

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you find yourself playing on there? Is it something that can be done with any distro, or is it something that some are more suited to?

Most games "just work" at this point because of how well Proton works: https://www.protondb.com/ The biggest issue is certain DRMs aren't supported in Linux yet, but others are, so it's just game dependent. I mostly play single-player, but the multiplayer games I do play work fine. I don't have Windows on any machines at this point. I've converted everything to Fedora Silverblue and it's fantastic.

Perhaps you included this in your DRM comment, but I think the biggest issue is anti-cheat. Most online games with a sufficiently large 'competitive' element require a kernel-level anti-cheat which won't work on Linux.

Re: Microsoft cracking down people upgrading to Windows 11 on unsupported hardware

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Long ago I preferred Windows as a sort of "it's good enough and i can just minimize the UI and it runs". I didn't have to bother with it much.

After a while updates and prompts for upgrades and 20 kinds of UI/UX across ever changing control panels / file managers, and my cheese getting moved here and there .... I gave up and decided if I'm going to get my cheese moved I may as well try a mac.

I've been happy and never looked back.

Re: Microsoft cracking down people upgrading to Windows 11 on unsupported hardware

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post #30
post #11

As someone who owns a machine which gets reminders to update to Windows 11 despite not being allowed to, the whole thing is bizarre. There's no cited explanation for the TPM "requirement", and it's obviously not a requirement since you can turn it off. It makes me very suspicious that there's some ulterior motive.

TPM is used for BitLocker.

Which not everybody uses or has even heard of.

Re: Microsoft cracking down people upgrading to Windows 11 on unsupported hardware

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I built my own PC years ago and it came without a tpm so I can't upgrade. The motherboard does have the plug for a tpm so I bought a cheap one and tried plugging it in. Windows still doesn't recognize it. I did my best but the obsoleting Microsoft is doing here is heavy handed

How old is your PC? My 10 years old laptop has a TPM built into the CPU (Intel PTT), which Windows 11 is perfectly happy about once I figured out how to enable it in the boot options.

Intel PTT should support TPM 2.0. Not all boards/combinations support it correctly without a bios update, and not all boards have bios updates.

Re: Microsoft cracking down people upgrading to Windows 11 on unsupported hardware

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most games "just work" at this point because of how well Proton works: https://www.protondb.com/ The biggest issue is certain DRMs aren't supported in Linux yet, but others are, so it's just game dependent. I mostly play single-player, but the multiplayer games I do play work fine. I don't have Windows on any machines at this point. I've converted everything to Fedora Silverblue and it's fantastic.

Perhaps you included this in your DRM comment, but I think the biggest issue is anti-cheat. Most online games with a sufficiently large 'competitive' element require a kernel-level anti-cheat which won't work on Linux.

EAC works. Not sure about BattlEye.

Vanguard doesn't work, and perhaps that's for the best.

Re: Microsoft cracking down people upgrading to Windows 11 on unsupported hardware

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Microsoft had been badgering me to upgrade my Windows 10, only it doesn't allow me to do so when I click on the link given. Then I recalled that I only needed Windows all this time to run a single application. Installed Ubuntu with Wine and I no longer boot into Microsoft nonsense. There was some 4K scaling issue with Wine that was annoying, but the very latest update fixed it.

Thanks Linux and Wine.

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