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Microsoft cracking down people upgrading to Windows 11 on unsupported hardware

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Re: Microsoft cracking down people upgrading to Windows 11 on unsupported hardware

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Post by visnudeva »

lenerdenator wrote: post #7
giancarlostoro wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can still game on Linux, Steam is phenomenal. ;) I havent gone back to Windows.

What do you find yourself playing on there? Is it something that can be done with any distro, or is it something that some are more suited to?

I have been gaming on Linux for many years, nearly anything I played worked really well, even modern games like cyberpunk or elden ring, for the distro I am using an immutable distro based on atomic fedora called bazzite but I tried fedora and arch and they work as well. I don't think anyone needs windows for gaming.

Re: Microsoft cracking down people upgrading to Windows 11 on unsupported hardware

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Post by DanielHB »

poizan42 wrote: post #19
sour-taste wrote: post #14

I built my own PC years ago and it came without a tpm so I can't upgrade. The motherboard does have the plug for a tpm so I bought a cheap one and tried plugging it in. Windows still doesn't recognize it. I did my best but the obsoleting Microsoft is doing here is heavy handed

How old is your PC? My 10 years old laptop has a TPM built into the CPU (Intel PTT), which Windows 11 is perfectly happy about once I figured out how to enable it in the boot options.

My PC built around 2021 can't either, apparently (for ASUS motherboards at least) you need to manually update the bios and enable it:

https://www.asus.com/microsite/motherboard/ASUS-motherboards...

Re: Microsoft cracking down people upgrading to Windows 11 on unsupported hardware

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Post by Goronmon »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #6
lenerdenator wrote: post #4

I'm mainly a Mac guy these days but when the time comes for my Windows 10 machines, I'm sorely tempted to put a Linux distro on them. I don't really game and mainly use it for ham radio programs.

You can still game on Linux, Steam is phenomenal. ;) I havent gone back to Windows.

Playing PC games on Linux through Steam is pretty decent, if imperfect, setup these days.

But I still get tripped up when it comes to the non-PC game stuff. Such as mods, streaming from other platforms (playing my PS5 on my PC), or other community tools that have a tendency to be Windows-focused.

I still haven't been able to pull the trigger on running Linux on my main desktop.

Re: Microsoft cracking down people upgrading to Windows 11 on unsupported hardware

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Post by AnotherGoodName »

I really have no choice but to install Linux now. The nag screens in Windows 10 are already getting unbearable. The over 5 year old system is still running games at high detail just fine (3950x CPU, 2080 GPU, 32Gb ram running at 2k resolution).

TPM 2.0 was finalized in Nov 2019 after the above system was built. Hardware isn't progressing that quickly anymore which makes a hardware requirement like TPM 2.0 very arbitrary honestly.

Microsoft could have easily made Windows 11 work without TPM 2.0 as the workarounds attest to. It could have been "if you don't have this, you don't get some security features but otherwise it's fine".

My conspiracy sense is tingling at the hard requirement for TPM 2.0 that really doesn't need to be there. A bit like when MS bought Skype and moved it from peer to peer voice to a central server based system with no monetary gain from doing that, someone obviously decided that needed to be done. We don't need to be asking people to throw away perfectly performant hardware to upgrade. There's actually nothing in Windows 11 enabled by the requirement since Windows 10 also supported TPM 2.0 already, it just didn't require it. I've also never been subject to the attacks TPM 2.0 protects against. There may be cases where TPM 2.0 is wanted, i can imagine it's useful for servers, but i really don't need it.

Re: Microsoft cracking down people upgrading to Windows 11 on unsupported hardware

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Post by runjake »

poizan42 wrote: post #19
sour-taste wrote: post #14

I built my own PC years ago and it came without a tpm so I can't upgrade. The motherboard does have the plug for a tpm so I bought a cheap one and tried plugging it in. Windows still doesn't recognize it. I did my best but the obsoleting Microsoft is doing here is heavy handed

How old is your PC? My 10 years old laptop has a TPM built into the CPU (Intel PTT), which Windows 11 is perfectly happy about once I figured out how to enable it in the boot options.

What's your CPU? My math may be wrong, but the minimum Intel CPU supported is 8th gen, which started coming out about 8 years ago.

Re: Microsoft cracking down people upgrading to Windows 11 on unsupported hardware

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Post by aquir »

lenerdenator wrote: post #4

I'm mainly a Mac guy these days but when the time comes for my Windows 10 machines, I'm sorely tempted to put a Linux distro on them. I don't really game and mainly use it for ham radio programs.

I am using GeForce NOW for gaming on my MacBook, works like a charm if you have a decent internet connection

Re: Microsoft cracking down people upgrading to Windows 11 on unsupported hardware

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Post by wmf »

pjc50 wrote: post #11

As someone who owns a machine which gets reminders to update to Windows 11 despite not being allowed to, the whole thing is bizarre. There's no cited explanation for the TPM "requirement", and it's obviously not a requirement since you can turn it off. It makes me very suspicious that there's some ulterior motive.

TPM is used for BitLocker.
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