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AI systems with 'unacceptable risk' are now banned in the EU

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Re: AI systems with 'unacceptable risk' are now banned in the EU

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That is typically the problem with regulations. It’s usually easier for large companies to comply. It’s called regulatory caption.

> It’s called regulatory caption. Regulatory Capture, no?

that's right, although that isn't quite the same concept. Regulatory capture implies the large companies have helped draft the regulations to their own advantage (and SME's disadvantage in this case).

Re: AI systems with 'unacceptable risk' are now banned in the EU

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The EU once again races toward premature regulation. Europe's tech sector will continue to wither as America and others surge ahead. You can't regulate your way to technological leadership.

I think in the medium-term future we will have our own real-life Butlerian Jihad against thinking machines. Maybe they won’t be outright banned, but there needs to be some conservative force that pushes back against progress for the sake of “because we can”. Is this legislation premature? Maybe. But I don’t think it will be the last or the the most comprehensive within our lifetimes.

And China will have none of that and will remove us from the face of earth.

Re: AI systems with 'unacceptable risk' are now banned in the EU

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The EU once again races toward premature regulation. Europe's tech sector will continue to wither as America and others surge ahead. You can't regulate your way to technological leadership.

If you read the list of unacceptable things they're actually super reasonable and kinda crazy to think american companies will be allowed to (and probably will) participate in

Re: AI systems with 'unacceptable risk' are now banned in the EU

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It seems to me the key phrase in that definition is "that may exhibit adaptiveness after deployment" - If your code doesn't change its own operation without needing to be redeployed, it's not AI under this definition. If adaptation requires deployment, such as pushing a new version, that's not AI.

I'm not sure what they intended this to apply to. LLM based systems don't change their own operation (at least, not more so than anything with a database). We'll probably have to wait until they fine someone a zillion dollars to figure out what they actually meant.

> We'll probably have to wait until they fine someone a zillion dollars to figure out what they actually meant.

In reality, we will wait until someone violates the obvious spirit of this so egregiously and ignore multiple warnings to that end and wind up in court (a la the GDPR suits). This seems pretty clear.

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For LLMs we have "for explicit or implicit objectives, infers, from the input it receives, how to generate outputs such as predictions, content, recommendations, or decisions that can influence physical or virtual environments".

For either option you can trace the intention of the definitions to "was it a human coding the decision or not". Did a human decide the branches of the literal or figurative "if"? The distinction is accountability. Determining whether a human decided the outcome, or it was decided by an obscure black box where data is algebraically twisted and turned in a way no human can fully predict today. Legally that accountabil…

This would be an excellent outcome (and probably the one intended).

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Is this just based on hypothetical scenario they sat in a room coming up with or has such a thing been tried and harmed people?

I once tried building a Macbook app which lowers my music volume when I'm not smiling, to try to stimulate more happy emotions (forcing yourself to smile induces happy feelings) Then I started thinking how this could be used in restaurants to see if waiters smile to the people they are serving Or in customer service (you can actually hear it when people smile on the phone) Then I realised that this kind of tech would…

Something like that has already been implemented before in a corporate environment: "Canon put AI cameras in its Chinese offices that only let smiling workers inside" (https://www.theverge.com/2021/6/17/22538160/ai-camera-smile-...)

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The EU once again races toward premature regulation. Europe's tech sector will continue to wither as America and others surge ahead. You can't regulate your way to technological leadership.

Yeah let's wait until more "AI that tries to infer people’s emotions at work or school." or "AI that manipulates a person’s decisions subliminally or deceptively." are deployed and start spamming crap before making any regulation ...

Re: AI systems with 'unacceptable risk' are now banned in the EU

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We saw a bunch of small side project type of sites from the EU close down all over HN after GDPR became a thing. The risk for someone small is too high. The minimum fines are in the millions.

Something has gone horribly wrong with your governance when you can 1. get fined a million euro under GDPR and 2. arrested for hate crimes, for 1. hosting a default Apache server with logs and 2. putting a joke video of your dog doing a "Hitler salute" on it.

Hey, Count Dankula is funny, maybe its not for everyone, but he really should not have been arrested for what his dog did. His youtube has really fascinating content on it.
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