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AI systems with 'unacceptable risk' are now banned in the EU

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Re: AI systems with 'unacceptable risk' are now banned in the EU

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Post by gjm11 »

HPsquared wrote: post #86
wiz21c wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Please show me where GDPR requires cookie banners. That's the bit everyone forget. GDPR didn't ask for cookie banners at all. It asked for consent in case consent is needed. And most of the time consent is not needed since I just can say "no cookies" to many websites and everything is just fine.

So why does every website persist in annoying their users? Are they all (or 99%) simply stupid? I have a hard time believing that.

It's (at least in some cases) malice, not stupidity.

By putting cookie banners everywhere and pretending that they are a requirement of the GDPR, the owners of the websites (or of the tracking systems attached to those websites) (1) provide an opportunity for people to say "yes" to tracking they would almost certainly actually prefer not to happen, and (2) inflict an annoyance on people and blame it on the GDPR.

The result: huge numbers of people think that the GDPR is a stupid law whose main effect is to produce unnecessary cookie banners, and argue against any other legislation that looks like it, and resent the organization responsible for it.

Which reduces the likely future amount of legislation that might get in the way of extracting the maximum in profit by spying on people and selling their personal information to advertisers.

Which is ... not a stupid thing to do, if you are in the business of spying on people and selling their personal information to advertisers.

Re: AI systems with 'unacceptable risk' are now banned in the EU

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Post by [deleted] »

Oarch wrote: post #32
ItsBob wrote: post #19

> AI that attempts to predict people committing crimes based on their appearance. FTFY: AI that attempts to predict people committing crimes. By "appearance" are they talking about a guy wearing a hoodie must be a hacker or are we talking about race/colour/religious garb etc? I'd rather they just didn't use it for any kind of criminal application at all if I have a say in it! Just my $0.02

It will be hard to gauge this too if it's all just vectors?

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Re: AI systems with 'unacceptable risk' are now banned in the EU

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Post by abdullahkhalids »

spacemanspiff01 wrote: post #47
DoingIsLearning wrote: post #33

I am not expert but there seems to be an overlap in the article between 'AI' and well ... just software, or signal processing: - AI that collects “real time” biometric data in public places for the purposes of law enforcement. - AI that creates — or expands — facial recognition databases by scraping images online or from security cameras. - AI that uses biometrics to infer a person’s characteristics - AI that collect…

From the laws text: For the purposes of this Regulation, the following definitions apply: (1) ‘AI system’ means a machine-based system that is designed to operate with varying levels of autonomy and that may exhibit adaptiveness after deployment, and that, for explicit or implicit objectives, infers, from the input it receives, how to generate outputs such as predictions, content, recommendations, or decisions that c…

Seems very reasonable. Not all software has the same risk profile, and autonomous+adaptive software certainly have a more dangerous profile than simpler software, and should be regulated differently.

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Post by sporkydistance »

daedrdev wrote: post #91
dns_snek wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People said that about GDPR. Laws that don't leave any room for interpretation are bound to have loopholes that pose unacceptable risk to the population.

I think its quite clear gdpr has indeed lead to lower investment and delayed or cancelled products in Europe

GDPR is one of the best pieces of legislation to come out of the EU this century.

It is the utter bane if "move fast and break things", and I'm so glad to have it.

I will never understand the submissive disposition of Americans to billionaires who sell them out. They are all about being rugged Cow Boys while smashing systems that foster their own well-being. It's like their pathology to be independent makes them shoot at their own feet. Utterly baffling.

Re: AI systems with 'unacceptable risk' are now banned in the EU

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Post by [deleted] »

theptip wrote: post #89

Seems like a mostly reasonable list of things to not let AI do without better safety evals. > AI that tries to infer people’s emotions at work or school I wonder how broadly this will be construed. For example if an agent uses CoT and they needs emotional state as part of that, can it be used in a work or school setting at all?

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Re: AI systems with 'unacceptable risk' are now banned in the EU

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Post by kazinator »

OK, so certain documents are allowed to exist out there; they are not banned. But if you train a mathematical function to provide a very clever form of access to those documents, that is banned.

That is similar to, say, some substance being banned above a certain concentration.

Information from AI is like moonshine. Too concentrated; too dangerous. There could be methyl alcohol in there that will make you go blind. Must control.

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Post by jcgrillo »

ykonstant wrote: post #106
sethd wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even the A* search algorithm is technically AI.

Oh man, I really want to watch CNN folks try to pronounce Dijkstra!

We could have it both ways with a Convolutional News Network

Re: AI systems with 'unacceptable risk' are now banned in the EU

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Post by stared »

ItsBob wrote: post #19

> AI that attempts to predict people committing crimes based on their appearance. FTFY: AI that attempts to predict people committing crimes. By "appearance" are they talking about a guy wearing a hoodie must be a hacker or are we talking about race/colour/religious garb etc? I'd rather they just didn't use it for any kind of criminal application at all if I have a say in it! Just my $0.02

There was a joke:

- Could you tell from an image if a man is gay?

- Depending on what he is doing.

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