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AI systems with 'unacceptable risk' are now banned in the EU

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Laws that are open to interpretation with drastic consequences if it's interpreted against your favour pose unacceptable risk to business investors and stifle innovation.

People said that about GDPR. Laws that don't leave any room for interpretation are bound to have loopholes that pose unacceptable risk to the population.

I think its quite clear gdpr has indeed lead to lower investment and delayed or cancelled products in Europe

Re: AI systems with 'unacceptable risk' are now banned in the EU

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I would like to see a new law that puts any member of government found obstructing justice is put in jail. Except that the person responsible for travesty of justice framing 9 innocent people in this Dutch series is currently the president of the court of Maastricht. https://npo.nl/start/serie/de-villamoord Remember. The courts have the say as to who wins and looses in these new vague laws. The ones running the court…

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Re: AI systems with 'unacceptable risk' are now banned in the EU

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Seems like a mostly reasonable list of things to not let AI do without better safety evals. > AI that tries to infer people’s emotions at work or school I wonder how broadly this will be construed. For example if an agent uses CoT and they needs emotional state as part of that, can it be used in a work or school setting at all?

The EU generally (so far) has passed reasonable legislation about these things. I'd be surprised if it was taken more broadly than the point where a reasonable person would feel comfortable with it.

Re: AI systems with 'unacceptable risk' are now banned in the EU

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post #55

Laws that are open to interpretation with drastic consequences if it's interpreted against your favour pose unacceptable risk to business investors and stifle innovation.

There is no law that isn't open to interpretation. There is a reason for the judicial branch of government.

Re: AI systems with 'unacceptable risk' are now banned in the EU

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

People said that about GDPR. Laws that don't leave any room for interpretation are bound to have loopholes that pose unacceptable risk to the population.

I think its quite clear gdpr has indeed lead to lower investment and delayed or cancelled products in Europe

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Re: AI systems with 'unacceptable risk' are now banned in the EU

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post #89

Seems like a mostly reasonable list of things to not let AI do without better safety evals. > AI that tries to infer people’s emotions at work or school I wonder how broadly this will be construed. For example if an agent uses CoT and they needs emotional state as part of that, can it be used in a work or school setting at all?

I would imagine that such a tool to infer emotional states would be most useful for autistic people who are as I can attest, somewhat handicapped upon that front. Maybe that will get challenged as disability discrimination by some Autistic group. Which would be interesting. As with most things, there are rules, and exceptions to those rules - no shoe fits everyone, though forcing people to wear the wrong shoe size, can do more harm than good.

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I am not expert but there seems to be an overlap in the article between 'AI' and well ... just software, or signal processing: - AI that collects “real time” biometric data in public places for the purposes of law enforcement. - AI that creates — or expands — facial recognition databases by scraping images online or from security cameras. - AI that uses biometrics to infer a person’s characteristics - AI that collect…

Have been having a lot of laughs about all the things we call AI nowadays. Now it’s becoming less funny. To me it’s just generative AI, LLMs, media generation. But I see the CNN folks suddenly getting “AI” attention. Anything deep learning really. It’s pretty weird. Even our old batch processing, SLURM based clusters with GPU nodes are now “AI Factories”.

Even the A* search algorithm is technically AI.

Re: AI systems with 'unacceptable risk' are now banned in the EU

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

People said that about GDPR. Laws that don't leave any room for interpretation are bound to have loopholes that pose unacceptable risk to the population.

I think its quite clear gdpr has indeed lead to lower investment and delayed or cancelled products in Europe

Yet better privacy protections than we in the States enjoy.

Re: AI systems with 'unacceptable risk' are now banned in the EU

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post #96
post #89

Seems like a mostly reasonable list of things to not let AI do without better safety evals. > AI that tries to infer people’s emotions at work or school I wonder how broadly this will be construed. For example if an agent uses CoT and they needs emotional state as part of that, can it be used in a work or school setting at all?

I would imagine that such a tool to infer emotional states would be most useful for autistic people who are as I can attest, somewhat handicapped upon that front. Maybe that will get challenged as disability discrimination by some Autistic group. Which would be interesting. As with most things, there are rules, and exceptions to those rules - no shoe fits everyone, though forcing people to wear the wrong shoe size, c…

> I would imagine that such a tool to infer emotional states would be most useful for autistic people who are as I can attest, somewhat handicapped upon that front.

It might well be a useful tool to point at yourself.

It's an entirely inappropriate one to point at someone else. If you can't imagine having someone estimate your emotional state (usually incorrectly), and use that as a basis to disregard your opinion, you've lived a very different life to mine. Don't let them hide behind "the AI agreed with my assessment".

Re: AI systems with 'unacceptable risk' are now banned in the EU

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Oh nooo, that will stop everyone from using AI systems. Do European politicians understand that those laws are usually dead? There is no way a law like that can be enforced except by large companies. Also, this kind of laws would make Europeans to stay at the loser side of the AI competition as China and mostly every US corporation doesn't care about that.

The usage covering "unacceptable risk" is stuff that's either illegal or heavily regulated already in human operation too. > Also, this kind of laws would make Europeans to stay at the loser side of the AI competition as China and mostly every US corporation doesn't care about that. Not sure that's a game I want to win.

Europe is still riding high on the wealth they stole from the colonies. That well is going to run dry soon.
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