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Re: Trump slaps tariffs on Mexico, Canada and China

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Post by ModernMech »

nightowl_games wrote: post #149
ModernMech wrote: post #89

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> What more do you want? The pennies in our pockets? Pretty much yeah. US wants to tax you, subject you to their religious laws, and take your oil. What are you willing to do about it?

> What are you willing to do about it? This is the vibe of a bully taking a kids lunch money and then saying 'What are you gonna do about it?' I'll never forget this feeling. The world is watching.

That's exactly what it is.

The world is transitioning from a "rule of law" order to a "rule of jungle" order, where might makes right.

People who understand this will have an easier time in the new world order. The goal now is to make it through the inevitable war, and try to set up a better rule of law next time.

Canada is the first test. The way to handle America is to use the only language bullies know: force and strength. Never back down. Never give an inch. If Canada tries to negotiate, it's done. Whatever agreement is reached, America will renege, and Canada will lose.

Re: Trump slaps tariffs on Mexico, Canada and China

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Post by nightowl_games »

ModernMech wrote: post #151
nightowl_games wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What are you willing to do about it? This is the vibe of a bully taking a kids lunch money and then saying 'What are you gonna do about it?' I'll never forget this feeling. The world is watching.

That's exactly what it is. The world is transitioning from a "rule of law" order to a "rule of jungle" order, where might makes right. People who understand this will have an easier time in the new world order. The goal now is to make it through the inevitable war, and try to set up a better rule of law next time. Canada is the first test. The way to handle America is to use the only language bullies know: force and…

> force and strength

The problem is that the USA is capable of far more force and strength than Canada is. It's like an abusive relationship, but one where due to geography, Canada cannot simply leave.

Re: Trump slaps tariffs on Mexico, Canada and China

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Post by dinkumthinkum »

mckn1ght wrote: post #140
dinkumthinkum wrote: post #138

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That’s not “Christian nationalism”. Sorry. That’s a pretty light religious take on a life or death event; that’s pretty milquetoast.

So in this thread you’ve got reflexive denial, appeal to antiquity, appeal to popularity, and now no true scotsman. You’re really on a roll!

I think you like naming fallacies without knowing what they are. That is a common tactic among Flat Earthers (oh I'm sure I'll be hit with another charge here). It is is not "No True Scotsman" to say that it is hyperbolic to suggest that say that statement was Christian nationalism.

Re: Trump slaps tariffs on Mexico, Canada and China

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Post by dinkumthinkum »

ModernMech wrote: post #150
dinkumthinkum wrote: post #122

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Well, that's nonsense. No one is doing "Nazi salutes" nor setting up concentration camps. I mean if the ADL say it was not such a salute, methinks thou doth protest too much. As far as concentration camps, this is just leftist hyperbole. Visit Germany and Poland go see what real such things were like, this is more offensive to those victims of atrocities then the made up things you are referencing.

Musk literally did a Nazi salute behind the presidential seal. And Trump announced concentration camps at Guantanamo Bay, so you're wrong there as well. I'm not getting my news from leftists, I'm getting it from the two co-presidents. You just have to watch what they do and say in public to come to these conclusions.

Again, the ADL literally said it was not such a salute. Also, those are not concentration camps of the kind of Nazi Germany. This is highly offensive to those that suffered in the holocaust to conflate these things.

Re: Trump slaps tariffs on Mexico, Canada and China

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Post by carbine »

tokioyoyo wrote: post #84
dismalaf wrote: post #73

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My perspective is as a Canadian. The US GDP per capita is 7% above pre-Covid numbers, Canada's is 2% below. Or you can say our GDP per capita has diverged by 9% since COVID. Canada's cost of living is actually untenable right now. Canada can't hold the line long enough to do anything to the US. We'll do it for political reasons until the election this year but it's going to decimate our economy even further.

Cost of living in Canada has been untenable for the past decade. The choice is to bend the knee or suffer more with the hopes you’ll at least go down with pride. I have no idea how the hell the government across the border got their citizens to start hating on us within a couple of weeks.

sentiment differences are powerful though -- some Americans might rally behind Trump, but if cost of living goes up significantly they won't be patient about it, especially given it's clear that Trump started this whole thing.

meanwhile -- excepting those who CAN'T, for whom there may well be govt assistance -- Canadians are angry and will endure (relatively more) pain to prove a point.

not saying I want this outcome, but I think the willingness to endure pain to harm the opposing party is different in each country.

Re: Trump slaps tariffs on Mexico, Canada and China

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Post by carbine »

rstuart4133 wrote: post #111
aborsy wrote: post #51

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[country] may have no other place to sell to, at least immediately, and at the same transportation cost. Moreover, unlike US, [country] may not have diversified its trade. The US may be able to control inflation like last time, by buying some of these goods from elsewhere and through interest rates etc.

Maybe. And maybe it goes in reverse, like it did the the China vs Australia trade war. China was the big boy in that dispute, and it's Australia's biggest trading partner by country. It wasn't pleasant for either side, but in the end Australia diversified much faster the China. Interestingly, Australia didn't retaliate against China. We keep buying the Chinese stuff at the usual cheap prices, and found other markets…

good example. worth noting that there may well be strong appetite to rapidly diversify and lock in other trade agreements in Canada to offset this battle with America.

America will not be able to do the same right now (due to Trump's rabid isolationism, and declining trust on the part of other countries).

Re: Trump slaps tariffs on Mexico, Canada and China

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Post by carbine »

dinkumthinkum wrote: post #124
a_cardboard_box wrote: post #109

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The end goal is annexation. Canada has natural resources and Trump wants them. He's creating a crisis he can use as justification for invasion.

That is just insanely hyperbolic. I think this why the left lost. There is a 0% chance that Trump will invade Canada. I really think the left needs to just back away from fighting for their positions for a little while and get some perspective or they will continue losing.

I'm by no means leftist but Trump has literally been saying over and over again that he wants to use "economic force" to make Canada the 51st state.

maybe he's joking, maybe it's a negotiation strategy. but he's also unpredictable, and Canadians need to take the threats seriously.

Re: Trump slaps tariffs on Mexico, Canada and China

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Post by ModernMech »

dinkumthinkum wrote: post #154
ModernMech wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Musk literally did a Nazi salute behind the presidential seal. And Trump announced concentration camps at Guantanamo Bay, so you're wrong there as well. I'm not getting my news from leftists, I'm getting it from the two co-presidents. You just have to watch what they do and say in public to come to these conclusions.

Again, the ADL literally said it was not such a salute. Also, those are not concentration camps of the kind of Nazi Germany. This is highly offensive to those that suffered in the holocaust to conflate these things.

"Also, those are not concentration camps of the kind of Nazi Germany. This is highly offensive to those that suffered in the holocaust to conflate these things."

Yeah, they are like 1933 Nazi camps, not 1945 Nazi camps...

The road to Nazi Germany was paved by people, like you, who looked at the obvious and dismissed it as hyperbole until the truth became unbearable. You're literally that guy in the "are we the baddies?" meme.

They are doing Nazi salutes and setting up out-of-country concentration camps to which they will send individuals they deem "illegal" who have been labeled by the head of state to be "poisoning the blood" of our nation.

This sentence is true in America today, and in 1933 Nazi Germany.

As for anyone who is offended, send them my way and they can give me an earful, and we can talk it out. But when I see a Nazi salute, I'm calling it out; I don't care who it offends.

Re: Trump slaps tariffs on Mexico, Canada and China

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Post by aborsy »

nightowl_games wrote: post #148
aborsy wrote: post #139

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I blame Canadian leadership. There should have understood the risk long ago. There are other problems as well due to weak management. The claim about drugs is a legal justification for the use of emergency power. Canada isn’t causing problems for US. These tariffs are harmful and unfair to Canada. It makes you wonder what “ally” means with US.

Sorry - what do you blame Canadian leadership for? What did they do?

Canada’s leadership could have done better in the past decades (not that they are directly responsible for these tariffs).

* Canada funds and invents new technologies in early stages, but fails to commercialize them: AI, smartphones, pharmaceuticals, …

* Canada hasn’t introduce measures to retain its talent. It’s too easy to be trained in Canada and work in USA.

* Canada hasn’t diversified its trade. It exports around 80% of exports to a super power, putting itself in a vulnerable position.

* Canada’s economy focuses on natural resources, oil, finance and services. It should do a better job in more productive sectors (tech, manufacturing, etc).

* Canada’s immigration is insane.

* The housing crisis, inflation, reduced GDP per capita and productivity are the result of poor management.

* Canada should stay neutral with respect to internal politics of major powers. The power swings, and liberals should not speak ill of republicans.

* Canada should meet its NATO commitments. It contributes less than most members. It should think of defense.

* Canada’s universal healthcare system seems to me costly and hard to sustain, and needs to be reformed to lower public costs.

Thankfully, tariffs are delayed, and hopefully will not be slapped back.

Re: Trump slaps tariffs on Mexico, Canada and China

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Post by dismalaf »

Timon3 wrote: post #142
dismalaf wrote: post #107

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To be fair Canada and most of the EU haven't come close to fulfillment our NATO requirements since, well, ever. For better or worse most of the free world freeloads off the US' security shield. Canada is especially egregious, where we have a bunch of tariffs and regulations protecting certain Canadian corporations while expecting the US to protect us and buy our products. All the while smugly criticizing them for it.

> To be fair Canada and most of the EU haven't come close to fulfillment our NATO requirements since, well, ever. Which requirements are those? I'm aware of an agreed 2% GDP target for 2024, which we've reached. Are there other requirements we haven't reached?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/defence-spending-two-percen...

Lol we haven't reached it and Trudeau's timeline wasn't anywhere close to 2024. We only reached ~1.3% of GDP.

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