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Post by cheema33 »

dinkumthinkum wrote: post #124
a_cardboard_box wrote: post #109

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The end goal is annexation. Canada has natural resources and Trump wants them. He's creating a crisis he can use as justification for invasion.

That is just insanely hyperbolic. I think this why the left lost. There is a 0% chance that Trump will invade Canada. I really think the left needs to just back away from fighting for their positions for a little while and get some perspective or they will continue losing.

While Trump may not invade Canada, he has already said that he wants to annex it and make it the 51st state. He "Truth'ed" it yesterday. His words, not mine.

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Post by Timon3 »

dismalaf wrote: post #107
tokioyoyo wrote: post #98

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Fair, apologies for having a knee-jerk reaction to it. It just sucks to scroll a tiny bit on forums and get bombarded with pure hate. I understand that it doesn’t represent the majority, but makes you scratch your head and think why so many level headed people are willing to throw away trust that was built throughout decades. Like I get the whole America First approach, and understand the desire to build out the manu…

To be fair Canada and most of the EU haven't come close to fulfillment our NATO requirements since, well, ever. For better or worse most of the free world freeloads off the US' security shield. Canada is especially egregious, where we have a bunch of tariffs and regulations protecting certain Canadian corporations while expecting the US to protect us and buy our products. All the while smugly criticizing them for it.

> To be fair Canada and most of the EU haven't come close to fulfillment our NATO requirements since, well, ever.

Which requirements are those?

I'm aware of an agreed 2% GDP target for 2024, which we've reached. Are there other requirements we haven't reached?

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Post by ty6853 »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #133
ty6853 wrote: post #129

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Retaliatory tariff why? US tariff are self inflicted harm. If you see your neighbor slashing their wrists, slashing your own doesn't improve the situation. Canadian taxpayers will be the ones eating that cost.

> Their strategy is to make sure Americans feel the pain too. But they are likely to focus on what experts call precision strikes against U.S. exports from Republican strongholds and industry groups with political leverage in Washington. > Late Saturday, Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said his country would impose 25% tariffs on more than $105 billion of U.S. goods. “We didn’t ask for this, but we will not ba…

Those are all taxes on Canadian consumers.

The only reason America will feel significant pain from our own tariffs on Canada is because without it, the tariffs on Mexico are voided as Canada has free trade agreement with mex that would make black market proxying through Canada trivial. I suspect that's what this is really about, Canada has to be in lockstep or themselves tariffed for the Mexico tariffs to be persuasive upon Mexico. Otherwise cartels just route white market goods to Canada under shell companies and then to us at no tariff.

The Canadians should find some other way to punish us than cutting off their nose to spite their face imo. A tariff is totally unpersuasive especially in light of the comparative trade dynamics.

Re: Trump slaps tariffs on Mexico, Canada and China

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Post by toomuchtodo »

ty6853 wrote: post #143
toomuchtodo wrote: post #133

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> Their strategy is to make sure Americans feel the pain too. But they are likely to focus on what experts call precision strikes against U.S. exports from Republican strongholds and industry groups with political leverage in Washington. > Late Saturday, Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said his country would impose 25% tariffs on more than $105 billion of U.S. goods. “We didn’t ask for this, but we will not ba…

Those are all taxes on Canadian consumers. The only reason America will feel significant pain from our own tariffs on Canada is because without it, the tariffs on Mexico are voided as Canada has free trade agreement with mex that would make black market proxying through Canada trivial. I suspect that's what this is really about, Canada has to be in lockstep or themselves tariffed for the Mexico tariffs to be persuasi…

I think it’s prudent to see what damage the actions of Canada, Mexico, and China can do with regards to economic retaliation and if they need to iterate accordingly.

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Post by ty6853 »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #144
ty6853 wrote: post #143

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Those are all taxes on Canadian consumers. The only reason America will feel significant pain from our own tariffs on Canada is because without it, the tariffs on Mexico are voided as Canada has free trade agreement with mex that would make black market proxying through Canada trivial. I suspect that's what this is really about, Canada has to be in lockstep or themselves tariffed for the Mexico tariffs to be persuasi…

I think it’s prudent to see what damage the actions of Canada, Mexico, and China can do with regards to economic retaliation and if they need to iterate accordingly.

The 'damage' they can do is tax their own people. It will harm them as much or more than the US. Totally nonsensical Jonestown massacre economics.

Re: Trump slaps tariffs on Mexico, Canada and China

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Post by toomuchtodo »

ty6853 wrote: post #145
toomuchtodo wrote: post #144

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I think it’s prudent to see what damage the actions of Canada, Mexico, and China can do with regards to economic retaliation and if they need to iterate accordingly.

The 'damage' they can do is tax their own people. It will harm them as much or more than the US. Totally nonsensical Jonestown massacre economics.

You don’t understand international economics apparently. Take care.

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Post by halostatue »

laverya wrote: post #132
halostatue wrote: post #100

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I don't know where you've seen that, because not even the professional liars at the DEA claim that.

The official statement from the White House calls out increased fentanyl production in Canada as the reason - but doesn't say that it's the majority of imports, you're right. The twitter summary says "There is growing production of fentanyl in Canada, and enough fentanyl was seized at the northern border last fiscal year to kill 9.8 million Americans.", though, and that seems like a lot. https://www.whitehouse.gov/fa…

This is an excuse, as an "emergency" is (effectively) the only way that such tariffs can be applied without input from Congress at all.

It's also likely a lie, given the number of lies told by Trump and his supporters. The two groups which should not be believed on this are the DEA (whose entire raison d’être is predicated on making things far scarier than they are so they can increase their power — I believe they are behind the proven lie that "touching fentanyl can kill you", which it can't) and the Trump administration (because the volume of lies spewed daily would overwhelm the New York City sewer system).

Do you have any reputable sources?

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Post by nightowl_games »

aborsy wrote: post #139
nightowl_games wrote: post #80

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Yes, the USA has massive leverage over Canada on basically every front. We are a small child standing next to a massive person with a gun. But what is the point of destroying us? Our economy is already down. All of our tech elite move to Silicon Valley. Our energy infrastructure cant get off the ground. The USA dictates so much of what Canada is able to do. What is the point of squeezing us more? We have so little we…

I blame Canadian leadership. There should have understood the risk long ago. There are other problems as well due to weak management. The claim about drugs is a legal justification for the use of emergency power. Canada isn’t causing problems for US. These tariffs are harmful and unfair to Canada. It makes you wonder what “ally” means with US.

Sorry - what do you blame Canadian leadership for? What did they do?

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Post by nightowl_games »

ModernMech wrote: post #89
nightowl_games wrote: post #80

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Yes, the USA has massive leverage over Canada on basically every front. We are a small child standing next to a massive person with a gun. But what is the point of destroying us? Our economy is already down. All of our tech elite move to Silicon Valley. Our energy infrastructure cant get off the ground. The USA dictates so much of what Canada is able to do. What is the point of squeezing us more? We have so little we…

> What more do you want? The pennies in our pockets? Pretty much yeah. US wants to tax you, subject you to their religious laws, and take your oil. What are you willing to do about it?

> What are you willing to do about it?

This is the vibe of a bully taking a kids lunch money and then saying 'What are you gonna do about it?'

I'll never forget this feeling. The world is watching.

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Post by ModernMech »

dinkumthinkum wrote: post #122
ModernMech wrote: post #105

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I fear that in hoping cooler heads will prevail, you've only set yourself up for failure. Trump and Musk will take advantage of your willingness to see them as better than what they are. That's how they win. Just remember they are doing Nazis salutes and setting up a concentration camp in Cuba. There are no more cooler heads.

Well, that's nonsense. No one is doing "Nazi salutes" nor setting up concentration camps. I mean if the ADL say it was not such a salute, methinks thou doth protest too much. As far as concentration camps, this is just leftist hyperbole. Visit Germany and Poland go see what real such things were like, this is more offensive to those victims of atrocities then the made up things you are referencing.

Musk literally did a Nazi salute behind the presidential seal. And Trump announced concentration camps at Guantanamo Bay, so you're wrong there as well. I'm not getting my news from leftists, I'm getting it from the two co-presidents. You just have to watch what they do and say in public to come to these conclusions.
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