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That's a really fascinating, but horrible, point. Every AI decision becomes a way to shirk responsibility, even more than just automated ones (because then its "your" rule). Welcome to the brave new world of AI-decision laundering.
That makes it a great point, not a horrible one.
Great thought from op.
Horrible implications.
Same happened to an app that I published on Play Store, I don't even care that much, I only feel bad for the people that bought the premium version of it. Overall the takeway is that your product is never safe and you shouldn't only rely on these big platforms for marketing/distribution.
It bothers me a lot the ideological hatred for regulations commonly found on HN. This is exactly a showcase why regulations for digital markets/marketplaces need to exist. We simply cannot trust huge platforms to care about the small to medium developers, people who are essentially powerless against a behemoth like Google or Apple. You get your app taken down, your account locked and the only recourse left would be s…
Google otoh is more like, bot/automated system takes things down and unless you happen to catch the eyes of someone in the particular department of Google you're SHOL because they don't want to give away "security secrets".
Point in case, the Terraria dev losing his Google account while making a Stadia port that couldn't get his account back despite having internal Google contacts (maybe he eventually got it back but not before the damage was done).
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Unless of course you don’t care about accountability. This gives google a lot of “oops, the system did it” leeway.
a.k.a "The Unaccountability Machine" - https://www.amazon.co.uk/Unaccountability-Machine-Systems-Te...
Might be moot, but the shutdown email mentions "spam, scam or deceptive practices", not just "reasons". Without any context about the owner of the channel, the reader has no way to know how unfair the shutdown is. I understand from the HN thread that the dev is well known and that the shutdown seems unfair - but it's always hard to share the outrage in this situation. Best of luck to the channel's owner - let's hope…
> but it's always hard to share the outrage in this situation I'm not really sure what makes raging about this so hard for you. Current YouTube practice is equivalent to locking up a citizen for "thievery" and "reasons" without providing any evidence of such at any point. And sure, few hundreds years ago this course of action would fly. But today we advanced a bit and demand that our justice is a bit more just. I don…
It’s not like they are paintings loaned to an art gallery, where the gallery might have some obligations to preserve, return, etc.
From what I understand there’s no liability even if the board of directors decide to shut down Youthbe tomorrow and permanently delete every uploaded video.
This keeps happening, and it can end someone's company, and livelihoods. Can people sue, and seek punitive damages large enough to be punitive to a trillion-dollar company?
If they can, should they be able to? If I run a website I think I should be allowed to decide what content is on there, and taking space in my DB is not a human right. I should be able to just rm -rf / without asking permission. I would be an asshole, but I'm paying the bills and I decide what my site is. I shouldn't even need a TOS that states that I can, I shouldn't have to keep promises I've never made.
The problem here is using YouTube and Google products that are known for these kinds of shutdowns, with no way to get in touch with a human. They are known to censor and remove access to truths they disagree with, and those truths are subject to change.
Instead of trying to change companies we don't support, we should help companies we do support get the traction they need. Educate people and de-google.
Even if he did upload something questionable, or his account was hacked or whatever the case may be, why ban his paid Youtube Premium account and not just the channel? Why not share the so-called questionable content with the parent so I can help him avoid another strike in future?
Even if opening another Gmail account is trivial, the hassle of setting up Google Family, Youtube Premium, Fortnite, Steam and every other account linked to his Gmail address is a massive pain.
Not sure where I'm going with this other than Google doesn't seem to care about paying customers.
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It bothers me a lot the ideological hatred for regulations commonly found on HN. This is exactly a showcase why regulations for digital markets/marketplaces need to exist. We simply cannot trust huge platforms to care about the small to medium developers, people who are essentially powerless against a behemoth like Google or Apple. You get your app taken down, your account locked and the only recourse left would be s…
Right now you're correct that the only form of recourse users have is to sue the companies, but you're not entirely correct that it takes spending six figures. You can sue them in San Mateo county and have the case adjudicated in a court which does not allow lawyers for either side and which has the power to compel a Google or a Facebook to reverse an erroneous moderation decision. https://www.engadget.com/how-small-…
a computer can never be held accountable — therefore a computer must never make a management decision
Might be moot, but the shutdown email mentions "spam, scam or deceptive practices", not just "reasons". Without any context about the owner of the channel, the reader has no way to know how unfair the shutdown is. I understand from the HN thread that the dev is well known and that the shutdown seems unfair - but it's always hard to share the outrage in this situation. Best of luck to the channel's owner - let's hope…
> but it's always hard to share the outrage in this situation I'm not really sure what makes raging about this so hard for you. Current YouTube practice is equivalent to locking up a citizen for "thievery" and "reasons" without providing any evidence of such at any point. And sure, few hundreds years ago this course of action would fly. But today we advanced a bit and demand that our justice is a bit more just. I don…
No, it's not even that remotely, and to equate the two shows massive ignorance.
This is like a book publisher of its own accord (without the government forcing them to) deciding that they do not want to publish your book anymore. Unless you have an explicit and enforceable contract with them that says otherwise then they're well within their rights to stop publishing your book.
If you don't like it then don't use their platform, and if you're using YouTube to host things for your business then it would be a really good idea to have a backup host in place that you can direct users to.