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Trump slaps tariffs on Mexico, Canada and China

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US electorate must find out. You can only negotiate with rational people. Retaliatory tariffs are mandatory, at a minimum.

Retaliatory tariff why? US tariff are self inflicted harm. If you see your neighbor slashing their wrists, slashing your own doesn't improve the situation. Canadian taxpayers will be the ones eating that cost.

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What I've been seeing is people saying that Canada is the source for most fentanyl coming into the US, not Mexico. (This is also the US's stated reason for tariffs on Canada)

I don't know where you've seen that, because not even the professional liars at the DEA claim that.

The official statement from the White House calls out increased fentanyl production in Canada as the reason - but doesn't say that it's the majority of imports, you're right. The twitter summary says "There is growing production of fentanyl in Canada, and enough fentanyl was seized at the northern border last fiscal year to kill 9.8 million Americans.", though, and that seems like a lot.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/fact-sheets/2025/02/fact-sheet-pr...

https://x.com/WhiteHouse/status/1885812342526460184

Re: Trump slaps tariffs on Mexico, Canada and China

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post #129

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US electorate must find out. You can only negotiate with rational people. Retaliatory tariffs are mandatory, at a minimum.

Retaliatory tariff why? US tariff are self inflicted harm. If you see your neighbor slashing their wrists, slashing your own doesn't improve the situation. Canadian taxpayers will be the ones eating that cost.

> Their strategy is to make sure Americans feel the pain too. But they are likely to focus on what experts call precision strikes against U.S. exports from Republican strongholds and industry groups with political leverage in Washington.

> Late Saturday, Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said his country would impose 25% tariffs on more than $105 billion of U.S. goods. “We didn’t ask for this, but we will not back down,” he said, warning that American jobs in their auto and manufacturing industries were at risk.

> A first wave, set to take effect Tuesday, will hit $20 billion of imports from the U.S., including alcohol, coffee, clothing and shoes, furniture and household appliances. On Sunday, Canada released a list of tariff targets, including products from Republican-leaning states, such as whiskeys from Kentucky, oranges from Florida and appliances from South Carolina. Government officials on Sunday also said they were targeting motorcycles in Pennsylvania, which has a Harley-Davidson plant in York, Pa.

> A second wave on an additional $85 billion of goods would include tariffs on cars and trucks, agricultural products, steel and aluminum and aerospace products. The second phase will begin in three weeks, to give businesses enough time to stockpile and find alternatives.

https://www.wsj.com/economy/trade/canada-mexico-want-america... | https://archive.today/WRDZt

Re: Trump slaps tariffs on Mexico, Canada and China

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Why is the American government so hell bent on destroying its own economy? The biggest things they import for Canada aren't even manufactured goods but raw materials. The only way to avoid the T tarrif at that point is to import from a different country but there are tarrifs there as well. What is even the end game here? Make China the new biggest game in town?

My guess is that Trump does not want the Chinese manufacturers and other multinationals to just jump ship from Mexico where they currently are, to Canada. He wants the manufacturing to be in US. Also, I think he is serious about the fentanyl trades via Canada US Customs and Border Patrol recognizes three regions where fentanyl crosses into the country. These regions are the northern border dividing the US and Canada,…

your source shows that last year 50lbs of fentanyl was seized at the canadian border vs 20,610lbs seized at the mexican border. when looking at the total seizure of fentanyl, only .2% of it was at the canadian border. it is hard to take the fentanyl justification seriously given such a dramatic difference.

Re: Trump slaps tariffs on Mexico, Canada and China

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Why is the American government so hell bent on destroying its own economy? The biggest things they import for Canada aren't even manufactured goods but raw materials. The only way to avoid the T tarrif at that point is to import from a different country but there are tarrifs there as well. What is even the end game here? Make China the new biggest game in town?

My guess is that Trump does not want the Chinese manufacturers and other multinationals to just jump ship from Mexico where they currently are, to Canada. He wants the manufacturing to be in US. Also, I think he is serious about the fentanyl trades via Canada US Customs and Border Patrol recognizes three regions where fentanyl crosses into the country. These regions are the northern border dividing the US and Canada,…

Those are the three regions where literally everything enters the country.

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The end goal is annexation. Canada has natural resources and Trump wants them. He's creating a crisis he can use as justification for invasion.

That is just insanely hyperbolic. I think this why the left lost. There is a 0% chance that Trump will invade Canada. I really think the left needs to just back away from fighting for their positions for a little while and get some perspective or they will continue losing.

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I mean...why not? What moral right does the US have to nuclear weapons that others don't? US exceptionalism? Just looking at what is happening in the US right now -- an astonishingly corrupt banana republic increasingly led by an insane Christian nationalist movement that bizarrely doesn't seem to understand a thing about Christ's teachings -- I have more faith in North Korea's management of nuclear weapons than the…

Where is this ruling insane Christian nationalist movement? I don't see one. Are you just talking about people that think men are physically more dominant at sports and other physical activities, that is insane? I think that's what all of the world thought for thousands of years and probably 99% or more of people in the world think today. This is just more the Henny Penny stuff that I don't think helps the left much.

The Christian nationalist movement are the people saying things like “Many people have told me that God spared my life for a reason, and that reason was to save our country and to restore America to greatness” - Trump

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Where is this ruling insane Christian nationalist movement? I don't see one. Are you just talking about people that think men are physically more dominant at sports and other physical activities, that is insane? I think that's what all of the world thought for thousands of years and probably 99% or more of people in the world think today. This is just more the Henny Penny stuff that I don't think helps the left much.

The Christian nationalist movement are the people saying things like “Many people have told me that God spared my life for a reason, and that reason was to save our country and to restore America to greatness” - Trump

That’s not “Christian nationalism”. Sorry. That’s a pretty light religious take on a life or death event; that’s pretty milquetoast.

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It is also through the exchange rates. USD to CAD has front ran a lot of this already. 1.45 is crazy. The idea Canada can so easily re-route trade is absurd. Especially when the trade is going to be settled in USD. I have been trying to understand the point of all this and come up empty this morning. I would have to assume it is for enormous leverage in the trade deal that ultimately ends all this. The leverage this…

Yes, the USA has massive leverage over Canada on basically every front. We are a small child standing next to a massive person with a gun. But what is the point of destroying us? Our economy is already down. All of our tech elite move to Silicon Valley. Our energy infrastructure cant get off the ground. The USA dictates so much of what Canada is able to do. What is the point of squeezing us more? We have so little we…

I blame Canadian leadership. There should have understood the risk long ago. There are other problems as well due to weak management.

The claim about drugs is a legal justification for the use of emergency power. Canada isn’t causing problems for US. These tariffs are harmful and unfair to Canada.

It makes you wonder what “ally” means with US.

Re: Trump slaps tariffs on Mexico, Canada and China

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The Christian nationalist movement are the people saying things like “Many people have told me that God spared my life for a reason, and that reason was to save our country and to restore America to greatness” - Trump

That’s not “Christian nationalism”. Sorry. That’s a pretty light religious take on a life or death event; that’s pretty milquetoast.

So in this thread you’ve got reflexive denial, appeal to antiquity, appeal to popularity, and now no true scotsman. You’re really on a roll!
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