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Re: Oracle Cloud deleting active user accounts without possibility for data recovery

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By not canceling payments he is making his case ready to go to court.

To be fair, at this point I got a week of different support calls, teams, online forms and live chats behind me. I cannot login to the account which would allow me to cancel payments, and every number I talk to tells me they're not able to cancel the payment as they're not authorized. To be fair, it was, so far, never my main goal to get that payment canceled, but I'm not going to put in any more effort after today.…

Lawyers are about the only thing Oracle really, truly understands. You'll finally be speaking their language.

I'd have said money is the other thing, but apparently your money smells bad.

Re: Oracle Cloud deleting active user accounts without possibility for data recovery

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I've never really mentioned it elsewhere, but the last time I even considered doing something with oracle was I believe when they released the free-tier arm instance and I was just going to compile some of my projects to arm to see if they worked well. Well since I'm not in the business of trusting a lot of corporations I decided to use a privacy.com virtual card that only had a one time transaction and would close a…

That charge of $0.01 is common practice to verify the card is legit, and will be reversed. Strange that privacy.com doesn’t support this… but thanks for the link, I’ve never heard of them before

They do. You can vendor lock a card and give it an all-time transaction cap. They've always had vendor locking but IDK if they've always have an all-time cap. I have run into the same problem GP ran into with someone running a test charge and failing the real charge, but I wasn't banned as a result, of course.

Re: Oracle Cloud deleting active user accounts without possibility for data recovery

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Oracle probably has the best sales team in the industry. No developer ever suggests an oracle product as the tool of choice, yet here they are. We learned when we switched away from Oracle DB due to performance issues. We were told that we needed to get back on it immediately. Our contract required all tools to use Oracle DB and we had to consult with their rep when making upgrades. So yeah, it's entirely your fault.…

I got cold email titled "Michelin-Star Dinner Experience", I thought that's spam but turned out to be Oracle Cloud.

I don't know about others, this certainly made me dislike them...

Re: Oracle Cloud deleting active user accounts without possibility for data recovery

#95
post #28

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OK, what products have gotten worse under Oracle? How do they compare to their competitors? Why don't people leave Oracle if it is so bad? Remember, people can and do move platforms all of the time. A good example is how the cloud took off despite the huge amount of work it takes to move things to the cloud. My main point is saying one of the largest software companies in the world is "bad" or "makes things worse" sa…

> OK, what products have gotten worse under Oracle? Java.

In what way? I'm actually curious.

Re: Oracle Cloud deleting active user accounts without possibility for data recovery

#96
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I was charged $5k due to a bug on Oracle's side. I initially escalated to support. Similar thing - they said there was nothing they could do, and that I needed to cut a ticket to another team... one which I couldn't contact. They simply closed the ticket. I did a chargeback for that portion of my bill. TBD whether they will nuke my account or not.

Weirdly, this could be an upside of going with Oracle first. i.e. If my Oracle account gets nuked for a chargeback, it’s much less of a problem than if my Google/MS/Amazon accounts get nuked.

Re: Oracle Cloud deleting active user accounts without possibility for data recovery

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There have been many times where I have tried to warn people on HN not to get into bed with Oracle.[0][1][2][3] But people have a hard time resisting free stuff. [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33199750 [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38075210 [2]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29514359 [3]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34503883

You had a bad experience with Oracle and I get that. They didn't treat you well. However, not everyone has a bad experience with them and a lot of companies make mistakes and treat customers poorly. The question is not did it happen, the question is how often does it happen and how does the organization handle it. If Oracle has millions of customers and you are the only one they harmed, they are probably doing great.…

Oracle has a very impressive and long-standing reputation truly unlike any other large company. The stories that people are sharing in the comments here are not all that different from the stuff I heard about them back in the 90s.

Re: Oracle Cloud deleting active user accounts without possibility for data recovery

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That has to be breach of contract. The guy was a paying customer and never missed a payment. I highly suspect this is caused by a bug.

What are you going to do, sue Oracle?

Small claims court is, in many jurisdictions, quite friendly to small claimants suing large corporations for legitimate grievances. Procedurally they don’t reward having expensive legal teams, so all that having an expensive legal team does is cost you more in billable hours.

Re: Oracle Cloud deleting active user accounts without possibility for data recovery

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It matters whether you are still on an unpaid tenancy or have upgraded to a paid tenancy, even if you're only using "Always Free" resources for a total of $0.00 per month. Resources occupied by an unpaid tenancy may be deallocated without warning in order to satisfy a request from a paid tenancy. However, there's really no way we can know if the OP did or did not breach the TOS, which seems likelier given that they u…

I wish I was breaching the ToS in some way, but the server was merely running a (fairly private) Nextcloud instance. I mean, of course you just have my written word, but there was nothing fishy going on there. Also, at least they could tell me the ToS violation...

>Also, at least they could tell me the ToS violation...

Agreed. Cutting you off like this and leaving you hanging was a very dysfunctional and unfriendly way of handling their business.

Re: Oracle Cloud deleting active user accounts without possibility for data recovery

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That people continue to use ORACLE products is one of those misteries I can not understand for much thought that I put into it.

Mistake +mystery = mistery

And it’s only one “t” away from “misery” ;-)
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